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Jones drafting has been awful since Parcells left. They wouldn't even have Ware if Parcells hadn't insisted they take him instead of Merriman, who Jones loved.
Jerry Jones shouldn't hold his breath waiting for an apology from news outlets.
Jones drafting has been awful since Parcells left. They wouldn't even have Ware if Parcells hadn't insisted they take him instead of Merriman, who Jones loved.
WoW, didnt know that!!!
Can you imagine that!??
Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Please don't make statements with no basis in fact at all. I have never seen anything about Parcells overruling anybody in the selection of Ware over another player.
The Cowboys have on balance drafted better recently than when Parcells was in place.
Al Johnson, Jacob Rogers, Stephen Peterman, Julius Jones, Marcus Spears, Bobby Carpenter, Anthony Fasano. All of these players were taken with premium draft picks (1-3). I assume Bill Parcells made the call on these guys just like he did on the players that could actually play football (Ware, Witten, and Newman). I would contend Newman is only a slightly above average corner on the whole.
I see only mixed, average results on the top round picks for Bill Parcells in Dallas. Dallas could have had a young OLine and not had to buy a bunch of free agents if Parcell's scouting department at the time could evaluate offensive linemen.
Anthony Spencer, Felix Jones, Mike Jenkins, and Marty Bennett have been the 1st and 2nd rounders over the last three years. These players will contribute a lot more to the Cowboys than a lot of the the guys above. Spencer was considered an All-Pro level player at season end (by Peter King), Felix Jones rushed for the 2nd most yards in a Playoff game by a Cowboy ever against Phil. Mike Jenkins is a much better corner than Terrance Newman right now and Marty B has the ability to be a star.
If these players reflect "awful drafting" what would you call some of the guys selected in the Parcells era? Worse than terrible?
Parcells has a bunch of apologists in the media for some reason. I don't get it.
Last edited by Harry Callahan; 04-15-2010 at 10:15 PM.
Looking for where I read that right now. I think it was in the most recent edition of ESPN the magazine, basically they rated all the teams GMs and said the Cowboys were still living off of Parcells picks. I could be wrong (I'm not a Cowboys fan) but the article made it seem like Jones drafting recently has been bad.
Google search of "Jerry Jones wanted Merriman" yields zero results. Ouch.
Bradie James, Jason Hatcher, Canty, Jay Ratliff, etc - all Parcells picks. Not to mention bringing in offensive genius Payton who found Romo, and Parcells groomed him. Spencer and Jenkins look like great 1st round picks, but after that not much. Felix was a no brainer pick who's hurt a lot and Marty B is a lazy who hasn't shown he can do anything but occassionally block. Wade/Jerry have done an awful job picking after round 1 and last years draft may have been the worst in a long time. Jerry is a dumb ass who can't see that he's still living off Parcells finds.
Don't read anything from ESPN the magazine if you want accurate information. The majority of Bill Parcells premium picks in Dallas (rounds 1-3) DID NOT MAKE IT IN THE NFL. Nobody wants to acknowledge this.
George Young built the roster Parcells coached in NY - the Giants.
Parcells always talks about shopping for the groceries, but a lot of what he buys is stale. Bill was a good coach in his time, but by the time he got to Dallas he was worn out.
Jason Hatcher is a part time player - Canty, Ratliff, and James were picked in the fourth round and beyond. Not premimum draft picks. I was talking about premimum picks (Rds 1-3). Sean Payton was held back as a play caller by Parcells in Dallas, plus he did not have a QB as Romo was not allowed to play until 2006 - after Payton left.
You don't know if the players from last years draft can play or not. The top two picks got injured and missed either the entire season or half of the season. They also had no first or second round pick - due to the Williams trade (a big mistake as we all know in hindsight). Bennett would show a lot more if he did not have Jason Witten in front of him. He's immature and that may hold him back, but if he got all the reps in Dallas he would be a very good player. Jones is a home run hitter and showed it. He replaced Barber (who may be done).
All of those guys I mentioned above were 1st 2nd or third round picks. Several are no longer in the league. The rest are mediocre (outside of Ware, Witten, and maybe Newman). If Parcells had taken care of business better on rounds 1-3 from 03-06, the Cowboys may have won a few more playoff games than they have. Teams have to be productive on rounds 1-3. Jerry got three years out of Parcells as a coach and personnel man. He basically had to be begged back to return in 2006. His draft pick production that year showed he had no interest in Dallas long term. Then he ran back to New Jersey.
I'll give Parcells some credit for getting the team out of the doldrums as a coach, but he did NOT do a great job as a personnel guy in Dallas. Too many misses with his premium picks. Sorry. Average at best.
You made my point for me. All Wade/Jerry can hit on are 1st rounders. You need to find value and good players in the later rounds to be successful because that's where most of your picks are. Parcells was good at finding guys who can contribute in round 2 and beyond that are making up the backbone of the team. Jerry can't find past round one. First pick of the 4th on Stephen ing suck ass aggie McGee? Seriously? Second rounder on the laziest mofo TE we've had in a long time? Bennett got time last year, the Cowboys ran a lot of double or even tripple TE sets, and would have run more except Bennett sucked and wouldn't beat his man or catch the ing ball. That's why they started going a lot more to John Phillips at the end of the season and playoffs because Bennett sucked. How can Phillips have a productive year while Bennett doesn't and it's due to opportunities? That's a bull excuse. BTW, Phillips was the only pick last year that did anything worth a and actually looks to be a solid NFL player. Out of 12 draft picks.
Question - Can you name all of the productive second round draft picks Parcells drafted? Name one. I don't think you can.
Name all the productive third round picks made from 2003 - 2006. Answer. Jason Witten.
You see, blowing almost all of the second or third picks in a four year span meant you didn't pick a bunch of guys who could have been potential stars right now.
Tashard Choice can play (fourth round).
Doug Free can play (fourth round).
The wide receiver from Virginia (Olgetree - a free agent).
Nick Folk was a late pick who made the Pro Bowl before an injury totally messed him up.
Dallas has had to buy an offensive line in free agency (Davis, Columbo, the LG from Detroit) because of the blown offensive line selections in rounds two and three for three years in a row. They got nothing out of Johnson, Rodgers and Peterman - two seconds and one thirds there. That's all on Bill. Dallas missed out on all the players who could actually play football in the 2nd and 3rd most of those years.
It's great that Dallas hit on Jay Ratliff in the later round guys on occasion. The playmakers come from rounds 1,2,3 for the most part.
Last year's draft looks weak now, but Jason Williams, Brandon Williams, and Brewster will hopefully have a much bigger impact this year.
BTW WD, do you even like the Cowboys, or are you just stirring up stuff?
Kraft isn't that bad, from everything I've read.
Fair enough, they've both made bad picks and Parcells definitely missed on the early rounds but hit more on later while Wade has been backwards. IMO though we have about 15 yrs of drafts post Jimmy that JJ has been pretty ty on for the most part. Now that I think about it, how do we know what JJ's influence was during the Parcells drafts?
You must not have been around here much durin the last 2 to 3 NFL seasons if you're asking whether I'm a Cowboys fan or not
I spend a lot more time in the Spurs section honestly, so I did not know about your NFL fandom - sorry. Anyway, I think the Cowboys management (Jerry and Stephen) are trying to listen to their scouting department more in recent years and take the best players they can. I would agree that 1995 to 2010 has not been good on the whole for the Dallas draft, but I think things recently have gotten better.
The 2006 draft - Parcells last, just irritated me to no end. He took a player in the first round who had the same agent as he did. Carpenter was also the son of one of his former Giant players. Fasano was a Notre Dame guy and that often leads to failure in recent years - I think Big Bill was trying to find the next Mark Bavaro. That draft told me that Parcells was in charge of the proceedings given who was taken.
I think and hope that with Stephen Jones' influence the Cowboys will not make as many mistakes in personnel (we all know Jerry is NOT selling the team, so there is no point in wishing for that). SJ had pull in the decision to get rid of older, less productive players like TO and Greg Ellis and go with some younger guys. I'm not sure this would have happened four or five years ago.
Let's hope for a productive draft on Thurs - Sat and get some good guys from Round One to Seven.
Jones said it was all taken out of context. Nuff said.
Does anybody know what the that means? Google search has no def..."Sell Mammoth in rake"
Thats ing awesome!!
Tony Romo is a miracle. I don't see the issue with that.
Everything Jerry said is true.
Wrong, Spencer, Mike Jenkins, Chioce, Bennett (Jury still out), Miles Austin
Anyone? Buehler?
The A&M quarterback played on a team that sucked, dealt with injuries throughout his college career, but Stephen McGee is still a much better athlete than Tebow. He owned him on the 40-yard dash and bench press. Not to mention the wonderlic told everybody who the smarter quarterback is.Wouldn't take Tebow in the third? But he had no problem taking that A&M QB in the 4th. I don't even thing that guy saw more than 10 plays
Tim Tebow is a winner, yes. And so was Ryan Leaf. You know who beat Leaf for Heisman? Charles Woodson and Peyton Manning. Game set match.
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