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I like the Rays, they are off to a good start this season
Are you a Rays fan? If there's more than one of us, I'm gonna need to start the "official 2010 Rays thread"That would be sweet!
I like the Rays, they are off to a good start this season
Yikes. Can't the Sox just retire Ortiz and make him, like, a Red Sox ambassador? A nice cushy job somewhere?
I still think we should have kept Manny... at least then we'd have some bat production. And where's the vaunted defense that Bill Simmons was writing about? Grrrr.
pitching and defense. so far so good. no offense. lol. the Padres are licking their chops. bard, bucholtz are two guys just to get them to answer the phone.
Actually the Rays jumped on Red Sox pitching (Lester, Bucholtz and Lackey) and capitalized on errors/misplayed balls by Sox outfielders. Of course, they really miss having Ellsbury to solidify outfield defense, so they're not as bad as they were this series.
Still, the pitching and defense were nothing to write home about.
Ellsbury is overrated. When Florida was willing to discuss trading Hanley for a package involving Ellsbury Epstein should have been on that like white on rice. It was the equivalent of Scott Skiles refusing to trade Luol Deng for Kobe.
I bought his jersey in the Spring of the year he got traded... ARRGGh. I still wear it though... screw it.
My wife has an Ortiz shirt that she got at a game we attended in '07... though I think I'm going to get her a Youk jersey.
That's one of the thing that sucks about living away from home... can't go to any Red Sox games. The last one I attended was in 2007.
Especially since we gave them Hanley in the first place... you figure that we'd have good scouting on him.
Still, there's something to be said for loyalty, and it's not like Ellsbury is horrible.
Especially since we gave them Hanley in the first place... you figure that we'd have good scouting on him.
Still, there's something to be said for loyalty, and it's not like Ellsbury is horrible.
Now that Hanley trade looks like but chances are the Red Sox don't win a world series without Lowell and Beckett in 2007 so I'm cool with it. Ellsbury is far from horrible, but if he's the best player you have to give up in a package for Hanley, imo you obviously do it. Plus I became a bandwagon Marlins fan (yes IM, my Marlins fanhood is totally bandwagon, I'll admit it) after 2003 so if he's on any other team it better be Florida
I don't see things turning around anytime soon. It'll be interesting to see if they accept this as a rebuilding year or if they try to trade their way into contention. I'm fine with 1 rebuilding season since I don't think there are any trades that can vault them past NY. They have problems with both batting and pitching. Lackey and Lester are the only two reliable starters on the team, and to contend in the AL you either need dominant pitching or a batting order with power, depth and little to no easy outs. You look at NY's lineup, A-Rod and Tex are both way bigger power threats than anyone in Boston's lineup. I like Pedroia as the #5 hitter and Youk as the #2 hitter (or visa versa for that matter), but Boston needs a 3 and 4 hitter who can deliver power like Arod and Tex.
Last edited by DUNCANownsKOBE2; 04-20-2010 at 10:55 AM.
Pretty much fully agreed with you DoK. We used to have a monster lineup with Ramirez/Ortiz... Youk in that position isn't quite the same.
I'm a bandwagon Saints fan from living near there for so long and loving New Orleans. Of course, I was cheering my head off in the Superdome for the Pats... well for the first quarter anyways. The last three I just tried to have as much fun as I could with all the Saints fans giving me (good-natured) grief.
Lots of prospects are overrated internally by FOs and fans. As LnGrrrR said, loyalty does play a role on these decisions. As for my comment, I was speaking mostly about what he brings defensively.
He's a natural CF, playing LF (much like Crawford in TB), which is especially important with how Fenway is built. His range and ability to read balls off the Green Monster probably would've saved a couple runs during this last series. He's also a good leadoff guy (though not against lefties) with speed.
When you replace that with Jeremy Hermida, you're actually losing alot.
Yeah I was just venting not necessarily disagreeing with you or anything.
Theo Epstein is the king of overrating prospects. Last year at the deadline he refused to give Clay Buchholz up for Roy Halladay. My thought was, uh, what the has Clay Buchholz done to make it so he can't be traded for Roy Halladay? Threw a no-hitter 2 years ago?
Theo better be willing to part with him if he wants Adrian Gonzalez...it'd be Bucholtz, Kelly or both.
Now that Hanley trade looks like but chances are the Red Sox don't win a world series without Lowell and Beckett in 2007 so I'm cool with it. Ellsbury is far from horrible, but if he's the best player you have to give up in a package for Hanley, imo you obviously do it. Plus I became a bandwagon Marlins fan (yes IM, my Marlins fanhood is totally bandwagon, I'll admit it) after 2003 so if he's on any other team it better be Florida
I don't see things turning around anytime soon. It'll be interesting to see if they accept this as a rebuilding year or if they try to trade their way into contention. I'm fine with 1 rebuilding season since I don't think there are any trades that can vault them past NY. They have problems with both batting and pitching. Lackey and Lester are the only two reliable starters on the team, and to contend in the AL you either need dominant pitching or a batting order with power, depth and little to no easy outs. You look at NY's lineup, A-Rod and Tex are both way bigger power threats than anyone in Boston's lineup. I like Pedroia as the #5 hitter and Youk as the #2 hitter (or visa versa for that matter), but Boston needs a 3 and 4 hitter who can deliver power like Arod and Tex.
Maybe the Red Sox can lure Jeter away from New York.
News on Cameron from ESPN...
http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/mlb...ory?id=5118215BOSTON -- Boston Red Sox center fielder Mike Cameron has been diagnosed with an abdominal tear, described by a team source as a type of sports hernia. Judging by the experience of other players who have had similar injuries, it could require surgery that would sideline the 37-year-old outfielder for at least a month to six weeks.
Looks like more Hermida and Hall for the near-term.
Yeah again it's a no brainer to me, especially because Adrian Gonzalez puts up those great numbers playing in by far the hardest ballpark to hit in, god only knows what numbers he would put up in Fenway. When all that costs is a pitcher who does have tons of potential but for the most part has been unreliable outside of the minors, it's time to do it.
The other thing that trips me out about the Red Sox FOs unwillingness to part with prospects...they have the money to go out in the off-season and just buy a replacement!
They're not a team like the Rays or Marlins that must continually weigh the short-term impact of adding a major piece now against the long-term impact of losing multiple high-ceiling prospects.
If the Red Sox give up Bucholtz or Kelly for Gonzalez they're still in contention and can snag one of the top FA pitchers in the off-season while filling internally for the rest of the year.
Yeah exactly, the Marlins, Rays and Twins might be surprisingly good at loading up their farm system and competing with a small payroll, but they'd undoubtedly compete for free agents if they were able to.
I' mvery willing to trade Buccholz. As mentioned above, he's shown flashes of progress but then seems to backslide. If we can get a good trade for him, pull the trigger.
Speaking of pitchers who once held promise, how's Daisuke doing? lol
Varitek just made a great play blocking the plate and a great throw by Darnell McDonald who just hit a homerun.
buccholz was looking good. till the 7th
Well it's gonna be a rough season. Fortunately all the stupid bags who have been cheering for them since 2004 will jump off the bandwagon.
It's April...can't really say much about how the season will turn out at this point. However, there are some alarming signs to keep an eye on...
1) Ortiz - will he even rebound to be a productive everyday player?
2) Defense - A supposed strength based on off-season acquisition, it's looked pretty pitiful so far. And the lack of defense behind the dish is really killing them.
3) Health - already two of their three regular OFs have hit the DL and in a race this tight, they need to be mostly healthy for long stretches.
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