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If Devin were healthy Brent would be buried under the towels by now.
Sorry, no numbers, but I think fans are impetuous with their opinions about Barry.
Barry, by NBA standards, is a very good basketball player. Yeah, we Spur fans are still watching the kinks get worked out. Let's accept it and move on.
In the overall scheme of things, I'm hoping we can resign Glenn Robinson with the MLE. The thought of Barry and Robinson coming off the bench is staggering.
Think about it - starting line-up strangles the opposition's offense, then we go yin-yang on their ass and score 20 points in 6 minutes against their bench.
Fun times.
If Devin were healthy Brent would be buried under the towels by now.
I said the same the other day. Barry is just lucky Devin is hurt. With his no offense and no defense play of late, he'd be sitting next to Massenburg if Devin were healthy.
I think he might even be sitting next to Marks and The Third.
The kinks? ing Glen Robinson has been here not much longer than a cup of coffee, and HE ing gets it. Compared to Barry, he looks like he's been here for three seasons.Yeah, we Spur fans are still watching the kinks get worked out. Let's accept it and move on.
Brent is scurred.
Apparently I am not drinking enough.
We should get rid of Barry and re-sign Stephen Jackson
I think jackson signed a multiyear contract with the Pacers. 6 years I believe.
Brent Barry in the fourth quarters of games 1, 3, 4 and 5 has produced the following:
0 points
0-2 FGs
3 ast
1 reb
1 block
1 turnover
the third could start his first game and come with 12 pts and 12 rebounds
he won the chicago one on one championship
i think
LOL This is great...the same people that proclaimed Pop a genius and "problem solved" by the decision to start Barry are now saying he sucks...as I said at the time...it ultimately makes no difference in who starts. And it's not gonna solve the problem.
Hey TimVP...can I have a dollar for every time you waffled on Barry? I know for a fact there was a thread last week where you said you always believed he would come through or something to that effect?
Yes Manu has brought energy off the bench...but if we'd started better the energy of the bench might not have been such a necessity.
But anyway...
Ok so take away Barry's good game from his total of 21 shots...
That leaves him 14 shots total for the other 4 games of the series...or just under 4 per game...or to put it another way...about as many shots as Parker and Manu are averaging per game.
That means he has gone 5 - 14 in the other 4 games or @1-4 per game...missing 3 shots per game...so while your FG% numbers are telling...the fact that they are so few shots per game renders those % meaningless...
What isn't meaningless is that he's averaging 1.51 PPS for third on the team and is one of the leading passers.
I wonder how many times a Spurs player has started out 1-4 in this series...imagine if that was all the shots they got...
Tell you what...why don't you guys ask yourselves why Bowen is only averaging 3 shots per game...it aint because Barry's taking those shots...
I could break down what Barry has done late in these games with his passing...but ultimately what's the point? It's not gonna change it...
You guys are Devin Brown homers and it aint going to change....
Keep on hating...just please try to be consistent about it...the endless flipflopping on it is tedious...
Why don't you slice and dice Kerr's numbers from 2003. What were Duncan;s numbers in games 1 and 3?
Just go with the flow.
You are a fan, not a GM. Recognize!
hey you can come up with statistics to prove anything, 76% of people know that
me and bill gates have an average networth of about 4 billion
Whottt how many points is he giving up at the other end? Do you really want to see him spending much time guarding Lewis or Allen? The fact is he's more passive than even Hedo was.
If told you guys what the +/- break down was in the second half of games after we pullled Barry, you guys would think I hated just about every Spur...
Virtually every time we pulled him the Nuggets made a run on us...a substantial run.
And you know what picnroll...Barry's defense has been pretty good in this series IMO...but what do I know...
I'm the idiot that thinks blowing leads is a bad thing...
I am watching Barry play at this very moment and he is clutch and a decent defender. WTF are you guys talking about?
I repeat Jon Barry >>>>>>>> Brent Barry
The Spurs won the series, didn't they? It solved some kind of problem, obviously.
But yeah, you had given up. You said the Nuggets were going to win. You jumped off the bandwagon.
I said I believe he'll step up. I still do.Hey TimVP...can I have a dollar for every time you waffled on Barry? I know for a fact there was a thread last week where you said you always believed he would come through or something to that effect?
That doesn't change the fact that he's pretty much sucked so far in the playoffs. As I said earlier, it'll probably take him time until he feels comfortable in the playoffs.
It was the same story in the preseason. It was the same story in the regular season. It'll be the same story in the postseason. He's fragile.
That's not waffling.
Apologize.
The Spurs work much better with Manu off the bench. If it took one loss in the playoffs to figure that out, it was worth it.Yes Manu has brought energy off the bench...but if we'd started better the energy of the bench might not have been such a necessity.
But then again, one loss and you gave up.
Yeah, and?But anyway...
Ok so take away Barry's good game from his total of 21 shots...
That leaves him 14 shots total for the other 4 games of the series...or just under 4 per game...or to put it another way...about as many shots as Parker and Manu are averaging per game.
Barry has a green light. He is free to shoot when he wants. Whose fault is it that he's scared to shoot and scared to put the ball on the ground? The only shots he's made other than game two was that one three pointer. Every other shot was within two feet.
Then shoot more. What's stopping him?That means he has gone 5 - 14 in the other 4 games or @1-4 per game...missing 3 shots per game...so while your FG% numbers are telling...the fact that they are so few shots per game renders those % meaningless...
Going 4-for-4 on threes in a blowout will help your PPS.What isn't meaningless is that he's averaging 1.51 PPS for third on the team and is one of the leading passers.
I wonder how many times a Spurs player has started out 1-4 in this series...imagine if that was all the shots they got...It's because the Nuggets took away his corner threes. That was their game plan going into the series and it worked.Tell you what...why don't you guys ask yourselves why Bowen is only averaging 3 shots per game...it aint because Barry's taking those shots...
They didn't have any plan on how to guard Barry.
Do it.I could break down what Barry has done late in these games with his passing...but ultimately what's the point? It's not gonna change it...
How could I be a Devin Brown homer when I said it helped the Spurs that he got hurt? I said that it gave Barry a chance to figure it out on the court.You guys are Devin Brown homers and it aint going to change....
Hopefully Barry will take advantage.
Keep on swinging.Keep on hating...just please try to be consistent about it...the endless flipflopping on it is tedious.
Either come with proof that Barry has done anything outside of game two or admit you're wrong.
Again.
Jon Barry has four balls, his and his brothers.
Jon Barry has all the grit. He'll dive on the ball, he'll fight hard through a pick. Brent's out there waltzing around, to smooth to get dirty.
Break it down. Show us. Make us believe.
From my research, Barry is a total of +4 in fourth quarters so far in the playoffs. That doesn't mean much since the Spurs pretty much owned the Nuggets in the fourth quarter in every game other than game two.
F'in . Jon Barry!!!
Why do you insist on trashing our own players???
No real fan would do this in the middle of the playoffs.
I bet timvp would foresake a Spur win if only Brent missed 5 shots in 4th Q, including game winner, just so he could tell whottt that he was right.
We need to back up all our players...not be devisive.
Did you read? I didn't trash Barry. I posted stats and harmless opinions.
I'm also on record saying that Barry will snap out of this slump.
The point of this thread is to analyze Barry's play to date and to see if we can find trends that point to improved play along the way. Has he shown up in the playoffs so far? Will he show up? Is he possibly doing things on the court that help the Spurs win without it showing up in the boxscore? Those are the answers we are trying to get.
Ok gimme till after this game is over....
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