It would be one thing if the crybabies were giving solid concrete specific examples throughout the game to support their cases but all we get is vague ramblings about Manu getting shoved, TP crying for fouls (like he does every game) and Duncan getting mugged/draped all over.
It's really hard to guard Dirk. Defenders fall for his fade away and leap towards him to contest the shot. If there is any contact, he gets a trip to the line. With him being so tall and shooting a fade away, anyone who wants to contest the shot has to risk generating contact. It's what has made him such a great FT shooter. He gets to the line a lot and makes them because he has a lot of practice shooting them. lol
Absolutely.
But that doesn't mean that there isn't a cottage message board industry among Mavericks fans in complaining that the 2006 Finals is the worst officiated playoff series in history and that, but for such horrible officiating, the Mavericks wouldn't have choked away their 2-0 lead in that series.
I'm not sure exactly where the line is drawn between blaming officiating and arguing that but for the officials there would have been a different result. I'm sure that someone can define it for me.
I think the line is that "working the refs" so that you might get some calls in the future is fine. But anything other than that is not constructive.
The guy that best exemplifies constructive complaining about officiating is Phil Jackson. He picks the one call he wants to get in a series and publically challenges officials before the series starts. Last week he complained that Kevin Durant was getting undue "star calls". Next thing you know, Ron Artest is getting away with murder guarding KD.
The rest of us blur the line between working the refs and whining. But the closer you are to Phil Jackson complaining, and the farther you are from fans whining about injustices in days of yore, the less of a loser you are in my opinion.
So complaining that a Finals series that concluded 4 years ago was horribly officiated is not constructive?
Just trying to be sure I know where that line is.
It's plain and simple. Officiating does not matter for Mav fans as long as it is the other team that is getting screwed. Funny thing is if the Mavs move on and end up playing the Lakers they will get the same ty calls that we get. If that happens you can bet that they will be popping the whine cork in Dallas big time.
No, we're not better than that.
So fouls on big men in the normal course of play don't count? Doesn't that mean that the Spurs only shot 9 FT's? (TD had 5...). I might give you the 6 on hack a damp, but not all 12...
Yeah, I agree.
I'm not among those who are complaining about the officiating, but simply choosing to disregard all of Dampier's free throw attempts (not just those that were a consequence of a deliberate strategy to send him to the line for no other reason than to slow the game) seems a bit of a contrivance to dispute any complaint that the officiating was slanted.
If that's the way we count FTA, we should cut Shaq's FTA in half at least.
Got DAMN the Spurs must be good. To have won 4 'ships with such a conspiracy of the refs and Stern against them!
So many on here ing that cuz the Sperm had so many points in the paint, they should have gotten more fouls called for them. Maybe that's WHY they had so many more points in the paint. Every time the Mavs tried to go inside, they got the knocked out of them. Some idiot on another thread said how can a 3-point shooting big get so many FT's? He hardly EVER shoots 3's anymore, not nearly enough, anyway. If you watched that game and didn't know that almost all of those fouls were gonna be called, you don't watch b-ball or your homer glasses need to be re-calibrated.
Mavs' fans ing about the Miami game 3 is pretty much agreed with by tons of fans and observers around the NBA. The endless whining by Spurs/their fans about the refs is worse than Nellie back in the day. Still not NEARLY as bad as Cuban though.
Oh -- so if you have a consensus on your side, whining about is no longer unseemly?
Fans are one thing, "Spurs" is something else. So, of course, you're going to point me to all of the media sessions and interviews since 1998 in which Tim Duncan, Tony Parker, Manu Ginobili, Bruce Bowen, Gregg Popovich, and Peter Holt have complained publicly about officiating, right?The endless whining by Spurs/their fans about the refs is worse than Nellie back in the day. Still not NEARLY as bad as Cuban though.
I'll wait.
Beat me to it.
If you didn't notice, Dampier was being fouled on the catch. It's called strategery. Giving up half a point is better than giving up two points.
Anyway, that's a deliberate foul.
strategery? intentionally fouling a 60 percent free throw shooter basically means you expect him to make 6 out of 10 fts. in other words a 2 point basket in 3 out of 5 possessions. i guess pop must have thought the mavs would score on at least 4 out of every 5 possessions? the 3rd quarter of game 1 is a little early to admit your defense is helpless
I hope the Spurs players are looking back and crying about Game 1 like the fans are. That'll make it easier to beat them.
Spurs win game 2 and mavs fans' panties will be filled with caca marks!
Just like you'll never be able to get over 2006. For The Spurs, it's just another series, but for you Mavs fans--it's a chance to get back at someone that's better than you. Anyway, Shut the up!
Complaining about one game where the whole world could see what was happening is understandable. ing about the refs every call and/or every game you lose is unseemly. And I know what unseemly is. Mark Cuban is front and center in my view every home game.
You obviously have not paid much attention to the way the Spurs operate over the last decade.
Fact: ST will ALWAYS get too low over losses and too high over wins. This goes triple for the playoffs
Fact: 3 of the Spurs' 4 le runs have begun with them losing Game 1 of the first round (and in '99, they lost game 2 to the T-Wolves)
man the re s have really shown up in droves for the playoffs. and i'm not talking about fans of any one particular team, just in general. I have to wade through 3-4 posts to find an opinion worth reading.
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