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    Ian would force Dirk to guard someone in the post. Other than Tim Ian is the only Spur with a post game.

    We can't defend Dirk. It's not going to happen. We HAVE to take it to him and make him play D. Playing against Bonner completely enables him and allows him to have the best of both worlds. Screw that.

    At least Ian would post him up for a few possesions and make him work more than he does now ,which is not at all. Even with Dice, he'd rather hide out shooting jumpers. And Blair has no post game yet.

    I'm not sure what's become of the Spurs system. It's like Pop is fielding a team of tall dorky chess players. He prefers soft players because he can control them but then gets angry when they shrink under pressure.

    I don't really care if our players had high GPAs, like to write poetry, or blog about sandwiches. It's not like fans have any real connection to players anyway, other than occasionally serving them and getting mediocre tips.

    I'd like to see a team that plays hard and plays together. That would be enough.
    I totally agree 1 trillion %

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    Agree. At least, he'd be able to make Haywood work. Ian has show an startling ability to draw fouls on the opposition's bigs. Hits his FTs too. The Spurs could do themselves well be luring the Mavs into the bonus early in quarters.
    He's also shown a really good ability to seal off opponents to create driving lanes, something that was sorely missing in game 1.

    Still, with the soft fouls the Mavs get and Ian's propensity for fouling anyway (and yes I agree if he had time during the season this would be much less of an issue), it's probably not beneficial for him to be out there. Wouldn't be opposed to giving him a chance, but you can't leave him out of it looks like he's going to be whistled.

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    Playing Ian doesn't seem like a feasible idea at this point. I don't see a reason for Pop to panic and throw someone in like Ian in the lineup. Obviously adjustments on the defensive end need to be made but aside from that I think our big rotation that is out there is as good as it will get for the spurs against the mavs. I'm expecting fighting off dirk for positioning is something the spurs are going to work on before he touches the ball.

    It's only game 1 of the series.

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    Playing Ian doesn't seem like a feasible idea at this point. I don't see a reason for Pop to panic and throw someone in like Ian in the lineup. Obviously adjustments on the defensive end need to be made but aside from that I think our big rotation that is out there is as good as it will get for the spurs against the mavs. I'm expecting fighting off dirk for positioning is something the spurs are going to work on before he touches the ball.

    It's only game 1 of the series.
    On the contrary. Pop resorted to the cowardly tactic of "Hack-A-Damp", which indicates that he's already desparate.

    Also, it's far more difficult to make defensive adjustments when you're employing some players that aren't very good defenders anyway. Outside of Duncan, the big rotation is lacking, as evidenced by the manner in which the Spurs were murdered on the glass. Much of this is Pop's own doing because of his dedication to small-ball.

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    Well at that point, I'd be disappointed on how the defense was going to. And I'm not going to use the whistle blowing as an excuse, but if the spurs were looking to see if they could get Dallas out of rhythm and then built off of that, I don't see it as desperation it was merely a action to get something going because from that point in the game I was convinced of two things

    1. Dirk was balls out on fire Sunday night and I'd rather foul a consistently bad free throw shooter then see him get another shot THAT night.

    2. If we could have come out with a clutch three once or twice during those 6 free throws I think it could have been a momentum changer for us.

    Now neither panned out so it looked desperate, but doesn't pop pull like this all the time and thats why teams hate playing us because of game time actions and decisions?

    *edit*

    I mean nothing was going on a defense from some key players so may as well try to turn something around with some outside thinking.

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    He'd foul out in 5-10 minutes.

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    i'm pretty sure we'll see a rotation with less Bonner next time. Blair has got to play more. it's amazing. Blair gets a 20-20 last game of the season and he hardly gets played. instead Pop finds more minutes for Bonner.Bonner is a worthless piece of junk that should be glued to the bench. he has a nice game every now and then, but they're few and far between, and virtually non-existant against good teams.

    if Pop hadn't had his head stuck up his ass the whole damn season, we could have had a nice versatile rotation of Mahinmi/Blair/McDyess. i don't know why Pop has to feel like he has to have a pf that shoots threes. the Robert Horry era is done. plenty of other contenders don't have one. Denver, La, and Boston in '08 didn't have one and all have been successful. Pop is INSISTENT on having a guy that can spread the floor to the 3, forgetting about interior defense and rebounding in the process. his lack of development of Ian results in overusage of Bonner, and a loss. take 5 of the offense rebound away from Dallas and the Spurs win.

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    The reasons listed are all good arguments. Unfortunately they're all good arguments for giving Ian enough playing time during the season that he'd be ready to contribute. As Mingus said, you just can't throw him in there now.

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    wtf do Spurs fans think Ian will always save the day when he has never never never proven himself in the regular season for more than 4 minutes every year.

    Why whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy


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    wtf do Spurs fans think Ian will always save the day when he has never never never proven himself in the regular season for more than 4 minutes every year.

    Why whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

    no one is asking him to "save the day," moron. those are extreme and distorted expectations. all we're asking him to be is better than Bonner. and i find no problem with expecting that, given what he's done in time he's gotten, and the level of Bonner's suckage to go along with it. obviously, now, he might not be better because he's foul out in a second; but with learned feel for the game, it be stupid to not believe he could have been.

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    If the calls are being made in the Mavs favor... put in Mahinmi. The Spurs would be getting called for everything anyways, makes no difference who is in there.

    At the very least Dirk wouldn't have as many And 1's on jumpshots.

    How many And 1's did Dirk have in game 1 on jumpers... 3?

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    On the contrary. Pop resorted to the cowardly tactic of "Hack-A-Damp", which indicates that he's already desparate. .
    How is that desperation? He employed a strategy that has worked in the past against other poor FT shooters to try and stop momentum.

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    How is that desperation? He employed a strategy that has worked in the past against other poor FT shooters to try and stop momentum.
    Because he admitted that the tactic was employed because his team couldn't stop Dirk. Plus it didn't work anyway. That's desparation.

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    Ian is the new James White.

    Same arguments are being made for him to play as they were for White to be played. The same bull , "he will leave the Spurs and go kick ass somewhere else and throw it in stupid Popa 's face because he is a ty coach" comments were made then. Just Spurs fans overrating a scrub like Spurs fans love to do.

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    Because he admitted that the tactic was employed because his team couldn't stop Dirk. Plus it didn't work anyway. That's desparation.
    No it's employing a different strategy. If they would have switched to a zone would you call that desperate as well?

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    No it's employing a different strategy. If they would have switched to a zone would you call that desperate as well?
    As much as I have always hated Phil Jackson I have to hand it to him. Not once has he had his team do that stupid coward . Like tonight's game for example, he didn't have his team foul to prevent a 3 point attempt from OKC instead he chose to let the game play out.
    HE let the players and ball decide the fate of the game, just as it should be. Not because of some stupid exploit.

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    If it would have worked and the Spurs ended up on top because of the momentum killer it can provide, you wouldn't be ting on it.

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    He's also shown a really good ability to seal off opponents to create driving lanes, something that was sorely missing in game 1.
    Though playing Ian isn't high on the list of adjustments I'd like to see, this part is 100% true. He really is legit when it comes to that, if anyone has the Synergy Sports or NBA online league pass or still has games DVR'd can see it for themselves, he made baskets happen with how he would seal the lane.

    How is that desperation? He employed a strategy that has worked in the past against other poor FT shooters to try and stop momentum.
    Stopping momentum is worthwhile if it's to disrupt an offense. It was a great strategy with Phoenix whose whole mantra was the ball will find it's own energy, move the ball around, get up and down, run run run.

    That's where breaking up the flow of an offense really means something.

    That's the complete opposite of Dallas. When they weren't scoring off of turnovers, their offense pretty much was either A: give it to Nowitzki to score against whoever was guarding him, or B: give it to Butler to try to score against his man.

    Hack-a-Damp did absolutely nothing to disrupt anything, even if he had missed them all. It only delayed the same old touches.

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    lol
    We're fouling Dirk anyway so why not give him a run, geez last game no one could stop him so it couldn't have hurt to have a look. Least we'd know for game 2 if he was able to make things a little harder for dirk.

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    LOL, gotta love Spurs fans' fascination with a guy who can't even work his way into the rotation. We drafted him like five years ago and he hasn't developed yet, so I doubt he's going to result in much.

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    ..........everyone is acting like Ian will be out on the floor alone. All Im saying is that he is a BIG!!! We just need Ian to alter shots, or make people coming into the lane think Ian will block them. The other 4 players on the court can do the scoring. If Ian drops one or two shots in, that is gravy.

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    turnovers and bad shots

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    I don't think Ian is any kind of real answer, but it would hurt to throw him out there for a few minutes if the Mavs are getting to the paint or if we are allowing too many ORs. He can't guard Dirk though. He needs to be on Dampwood and rotate to the ball for help. I would rather see Blair get more time though.

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    I'm a big Ian supporter, but realistically, I doubt if Pop will let him see the light of day.
    We just need to get Bonner off Dirk. I really think Bonner is a useful offensive player when he doesn't have to guard Dirk. He expends too much energy and it kills his confidence, which renders him useless on the offensive end. Not that Bonner's offense is going to win us a game, but you need to put someone on Dirk whose offensive production (or threat of offensive production) is closer to zero. Someone like Ratliff...oh yeah, he's not on our roster anymore.

    And again, it's not because anyone else is going to stop Dirk, but it helps save Bonner's strength and the main thing he contributes to the team - three point shooting.

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    i'm pretty sure we'll see a rotation with less Bonner next time. Blair has got to play more. it's amazing. Blair gets a 20-20 last game of the season and he hardly gets played. instead Pop finds more minutes for Bonner.Bonner is a worthless piece of junk that should be glued to the bench. he has a nice game every now and then, but they're few and far between, and virtually non-existant against good teams.

    if Pop hadn't had his head stuck up his ass the whole damn season, we could have had a nice versatile rotation of Mahinmi/Blair/McDyess. i don't know why Pop has to feel like he has to have a pf that shoots threes. the Robert Horry era is done. plenty of other contenders don't have one. Denver, La, and Boston in '08 didn't have one and all have been successful. Pop is INSISTENT on having a guy that can spread the floor to the 3, forgetting about interior defense and rebounding in the process. his lack of development of Ian results in overusage of Bonner, and a loss. take 5 of the offense rebound away from Dallas and the Spurs win.
    on this same note, mcdyess needs to play more too. He only played 20 some minutes even though he was having a good game. He had 4 fouls, so he could have easily played more. what are we saving him for now, next season? pop needs to stop managing minutes and start riding his best players.

    if the refs are giving dirk and 1s because bonner or bogans are standing next to him when he turns and shoots, send Ian in and tell him to lay off dirk till hes about to shoot, then jump on top of him (blair can do this as well). they arent getting their money's worth on their fouls. rough dirk up and make him think about his body instead of the rim.

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