Jerome James: Duncan is a WIMP?

[Super SONIC]

It's not anyone vs. anyone. It's Sonics players talking and wanting our upstanding Spurs to extend to that level, which they won't. The Spurs let their playing do all the talking they need to.

Yea, the oh so wonderful upstanding Spurs that have oh so many NBA les naging in that wonderful, beautiful SBC center.

[milkyway21]

How is Danny Fortson the greatest flopper of the year? He's not even the biggest flopper on his team.

..easy! easy!

here read this...

http://www.thehoopsblog.com/archives...inst-shaq.html


FORTSON:WHO WOULDN'T FLOP AGAINST SHAQ?

Well it seems the next big feud is between Shaq and Danny Fortson after the Lakers lost 98-96 to the Supersonics the other night. The mini fued was caused by a play late in the game when Fortson drew a charging call on O'Neal by flopping, sending O'Neal to the bench for the rest of the quarter. After the game Shaq had some harsh words for Fortson

"Bill Russell and Bill Walton would be ashamed to watch this game, big men flopping around like that," O'Neal said after the game.

Yeah Shaq has a point that players shouldn't be purposely flopping to draw fouls but what can you do if the refs don't call it. Plus Shaq is a big guy (much bigger than Fortson) so it would have to be a tough call on the refs because of his sheer size. If you have ever watched Shaq play you know that he basically overpowers every opponent he plays against and in my opinion he gets away with a lot of offensive fouls because he is a star. What it comes down to is that Shaq is a little bitter because of the way they lost and that's the only reason he said something. I'm positive this isn't the first time a player has tried to flop against Shaq. This just happens to be one of the few times they called Shaq for the foul and not the other guy.

...you think your Danny Fortson was lying?

[Gerryatrics]

No I don't think Danny Fortson was lying, especially since he didn't say anything. Fortson may have flopped (I don't remember exactly what happened or if I thought it was a good call), but he's hardly the only player in the NBA to draw a foul by flopping.

[milkyway21]

No I don't think Danny Fortson was lying, especially since he didn't say anything. Fortson may have flopped (I don't remember exactly what happened or if I thought it was a good call), but he's hardly the only player in the NBA to draw a foul by flopping.

...i was surprised you missed that. it was actually over ESPN/Fox the next day.

Anyway, i agree with you regarding floppings. I think though some players purposely do the flops to prevent themselves from getting injured...i saw once Manu do that, too. But NOT actually for the purpose of getting free trips to the free throw line, turnover, or whatever.

BTW, Fortson, said "Who wouldn't Flop against Shaq" sounded to me was an admission.

[Gerryatrics]

Well, I remember Shaq whining to the press after the game, I just don't remember exactly how the actual play unfolded. Sometimes players flop to try to draw a foul, usually when there's a size disadvantage, and sometimes players flop because the opposing player hit them and they want to make sure the refs noticed the contact. Out of the two I would think Fortson probably flopped because of contact.

As for players flopping to avoid injury, that's not really flopping as much as falling down. I've done that before, used the momentum from a hit to slide on the floor instead of taking it all to my ribcage or hitting the floor awkwardly and maybe banging up something important. It's something you learn to do after playing a few really physical games. It's like skateboarding, one of the first things you learn is how to fall properly, so you don't injure yourself if you get knocked down.

[TurnNiggazDreams2Flames]

i agree with jerome james

yo ....how old are u? 14? Why dont u go get on the ferris wheel or something...?

[Tom_Foolery]

Jerome James is in SOOO much trouble. Tim is not the guy you want to get upset or anger.

[Dingle Barry]

we dont have any that nag, i dont think. We do have two of them hanging up there. How many do you have?

[rwb]

Holy crap, what is it with all these whiners? I mean, the series hasn't even started and they're already making excuses for when they lose. Then if the Spurs end up playing Dallas we're going to have to stomach Mark Cuban and network TV's need to show his reaction to every play. THEN if we play Miami we have to cope with Shaq. Everyone outside San Antonio complains about the Spurs being boring. Heck, I'm happy to take that over dealing with a bunch of crybabies.

[Solid D]

..easy! easy!

here read this...

http://www.thehoopsblog.com/archives...inst-shaq.html


FORTSON:WHO WOULDN'T FLOP AGAINST SHAQ?

Well it seems the next big feud is between Shaq and Danny Fortson after the Lakers lost 98-96 to the Supersonics the other night. The mini fued was caused by a play late in the game when Fortson drew a charging call on O'Neal by flopping, sending O'Neal to the bench for the rest of the quarter. After the game Shaq had some harsh words for Fortson

"Bill Russell and Bill Walton would be ashamed to watch this game, big men flopping around like that," O'Neal said after the game.

Yeah Shaq has a point that players shouldn't be purposely flopping to draw fouls but what can you do if the refs don't call it. Plus Shaq is a big guy (much bigger than Fortson) so it would have to be a tough call on the refs because of his sheer size. If you have ever watched Shaq play you know that he basically overpowers every opponent he plays against and in my opinion he gets away with a lot of offensive fouls because he is a star. What it comes down to is that Shaq is a little bitter because of the way they lost and that's the only reason he said something. I'm positive this isn't the first time a player has tried to flop against Shaq. This just happens to be one of the few times they called Shaq for the foul and not the other guy.

...you think your Danny Fortson was lying?

How is it that Shaq was with the Lakers vs. Fortson of the Sonics? Fortson has only been with the Sonics this season (2004-05). Shaq has only been with the Heat this season (2004-05), not the Lakers.

A curious error perhaps or am I missing something here?

[Solid D]

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6805797/

Here is the link to an article at msnbc that shows the quote came after the Heat played the Sonics. That makes more sense.

[boutons]

I think it was last season, I've seen Shaq flop.
The TV commentators burst out laughing.

350-pound flopper = oxymoron

Seeing it ain't believing it. Simply not credible. Shaq the clown.

[Solid D]

boutons, I just posted the link to the article from this season prior to the Sonics knocking off the Heat for the second time in a week. It was this season.

The Sonics were still playing at a very high level back then. It could happen against the Spurs too if the Spurs don't defend well.

[SpursWoman]

So what were the 2 words? "Big Pussy"?

[boutons]

"if the Spurs don't defend well."

Well, duh, "if the Spurs don't defend well", the Spurs go fishin.
No good defense, no Spurs.

The Sonics have an inferior Round1 stat line, offensively, than the Spurs, and against the weaker, no-defense Kings.

So far,
(playoff Sonics) << (season Sonics)

[FromWayDowntown]

So Jerome James gets bent out of shape about Tim Duncan talking to officials, but he's totally down with Ray Allen doing it? If Ray's on the floor and the ball is stopped, he makes a bee-line for the nearest official to about something.

The Sonics complaints are really odd. James wants this series to be physical, but Allen doesn't. James complains about Tim talking to officials, but is cool with Ray Ray doing it. For a team that hasn't played a game yet, they are spending an inordinate amount of time worrying about things that they can't change.

[TDMVPDPOY]

jerome talks like they got this series in the bag, td is goin to bring his mvp game and take these whiners back to school

[duncan2k5]

I'm making space on my wall for a new tim Duncan poster. because you KNOW when timmy gets mad he makes another poster. and it seems like jerome james will be featured...

[Solid D]

"if the Spurs don't defend well."

Well, duh, "if the Spurs don't defend well", the Spurs go fishin.
No good defense, no Spurs.

The Sonics have an inferior Round1 stat line, offensively, than the Spurs, and against the weaker, no-defense Kings.

So far,
(playoff Sonics) << (season Sonics)

The Spurs haven't defended the perimeter very well this season, particularly from behind the 3-point line, boutons. That's a problem. The Nuggets couldn't shoot beyond 20 feet. The Sonics thrive out there.

[boutons]

yes, I know, one of the worst opp 3G %ages, an anomaly in the Spurs defensive stats, so it's good to see that Sonics weren't exactly hot from the 3 vs Kings, other than Ray.

[Solid D]

Picture this offensive play: The Spurs get back on defense to meet the Sonics spreading out at the FT line and extended (normal first position). Ridenaur dribbles to the left wing, turns and hands off to Allen fresh off a v-cut and boom. Allen has just risen up behind Luke, early offense, for the 21 foot jumper before Bowen can close.

A simple dribble hand-off and it's up and away. That's what they do.

[GrandeDavid]

They are trying to get the ref's attention. I guess they think their game is weak. Either that or they are trying to get spots on their WNBA team. Why else would they be ing like this?

That was hilarious, Mike!

[CHAMPS AGAIN]

Just wait after every SPURS WIN all we are going to hear are the sonics crying,crying,crying about not getting any calls and the SPURS getting away with fouls

[dcole50]

haha. let him talk. he sure as can't back it up.

[GrandeDavid]

All this whining is really making me reassess my thoughts on Nate McMillian. I thought he did a good job this year, but he's right up there with Karl right now on my list of chump ass coaches.

How can you let your players go off like this about officiating, unless you don't feel like your team can win without some charity>

Ag, I'm agreeing with you here. They haven't even played one f-ing game yet, but here the Sonics come with cheezy bulletin board smack. They are going to to get their asses kicked in this series. They obviously know so, otherwise they wouldn't be going there. Duncan is going to tear James up in Game 1.