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Do you have an argument that supports those statements?..
A hobbled Duncan and Dirk are better basketball players than Howard. So is Amare. A case can be made for Pau Gasol.
At least half of Howard's blocks are goaltends and he doesn't have a go to offensive move to save his life..
Do you have an argument that supports those statements?..
Yeah. Watching basketball. Which is obviously something you don't do, considering you think Vince Carter is some HOF player.
Dwight still has no sort of post game..he's a shorter, not quite as good at defense version of dikembe mutumbo at this point. Let's refrain from putting him up there with the best players in the league for now, thanks. Let him develop a post move or two first.
Here are some, asked for this article "Why Dwight Howard is Overrated" a few weeks ago:
Howard admits to blocking for highlight reels which ignores the basic fundamentals behind it. He loves to swat it to the stands to get the crowd into it even though it'd be better blocked to his team, etc.Over the entire stretch of data that Huizinga and Weil examined, Tim Duncan didn't goal-tend once, while 24 percent of Dwight Howard's blocks resulted in free points for the other team.
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The data yields all kinds of instructive contrasts, most clearly between Duncan and Howard (hence the name of Huizinga and Weil's paper). In 2008, Howard had 232 blocked shots, but he either saved or created just 124 points; Duncan had 149 blocks, but generated 167 points. On a points-per-block basis, Duncan has four of the top 10 seasons, according to Huizinga and Weil. Howard has three of the bottom 10.
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The paper also found that, with many different new factors taken into account, Tim Duncan's blocks are the most valuable in the NBA. The least valuable, they say, are Dwight Howard's.
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=148479
http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog...dkeating_peter
Also there maybe 10 big men (myself excluded) who just about anyone would rather give the ball to to score a bucket over Dwight "my offensive moves besides dunking is a dog turnaround hookshot" Howard.
So your argument is that he's the best defensive player in the NBA, but he could be even better if he ignored the aesthetics..I agree..pretty amazing that a 24-year old that still has a lot to learn can have the largest defensive impact in the NBA..
Again, the only arguments I've ever seen here are the usual..these same people ignore the advanced/regular defensive stats, Orlando's defensive stats as a team, the fact that Howard has less assisted points than all the other "elite" big men in the NBA, the fact that he's averaged 20 points on amazing efficiency "without a post game", the fact that he led a team to the NBA Finals and is on pace to do it again..
Given the dearth of bigs in this era, I'm not too surprised.
How would you say he stacks up against bigs from other eras?
Russell would on him
Wilt would on him
Kareem would on him
McHale would on him
Parish would on him
Malone would on him
Barkely would on him
Shaq would on him
Hakeem would on him
Obviously I'm forgetting some names here.
That wasn't the point of that statistical study at all. Have you actually read it?
Yup, once he actually gets a real offensive game and some mental toughness he'll be even better and the only guys that could challenge him are injured like Yao and Oden.
He melts down at the free throw line, fouls, technicals, etc and has had a pretty bad playoffs so far. He's gotta throw his mental baggage away or Orlando's ed.
From the previous era, I would put him clearly behind Duncan, O'Neal and Garnett..
From the 90's, I would put him clearly behind Karl Malone, Robinson, Olajuwon and Ewing..
You could argue with Howard vs. Nowitzki and Barkley for the all-around impact, and you can argue Howard vs. Mourning IMO..
It's not that I think he's THAT great of a player..obviously his dominance is more apparent in this current era where bigs are lacking..he's still seriously disrespected though IMO..
Yeps.
It seems Rashard Lewis and Pietrus are MVP/All-NBA type of players but unfortunately they aren't acknowledge as so. Otherwise, the Magic's success is just a fiction.
I'm just waiting for somebody to say Turkoglu led them to the Finals(I've heard it before, even from NBA "experts", sadly)..the amazing Turkoglu that has his Raptors in the playoffs..
Howard is great at finishing around the rim but those stats are inflated since he can abuse the ty teams in the regular season especially through put back slams, etc.
Come playoff time he gets frustrated often and has to face against better compe ion. As seen last year against the injured Boston team and healthy Lakers; his points drop substantially since good teams can eliminate a lot of those easy opportunities which is how he makes a living.
He has a great % but he doesn't have the go-to moves or offensive game that his team can depend on. Thats one major reason why SVG doesn't feed him the ball to the point where Howard's complained about it.
I don't think anyone is arguing that DHo is a beast on defense.
I would enjoy watching him much more if he had a good post move, and if he didn't foul in such stupid ways.
With the body he has, and the quickness, he COULD be one of the best of all time. But he isn't... I don't know why he won't/can't learn. It's such wasted potential.
Howard's offensively impact is underrated.
The Magic half-court offence is Spot-Up shots (which is about 1/4 of their total offence), pick'n'roll with the ball-handler getting the shot (about 1/6) and post-ups (another 15% of their possessions).
They're the best team in the league in spot-up situations, scoring 1.06 points per possession. Why? Because of their in-out game with Howard.
They're one of the best teams in the league in the pick'n'roll. Why? Among other things, Howard sets great screens. Howard himself as the roll-man is among the top-10 of the league.
In post up situations, Howard scores 0.97 points per possession. That's enough to rank him in the top 35% of the players in the league, which considering the attention he gets and how often he gets his shot against doubles, it's pretty amazing (the only positions factored are those where he shoots, turns the ball over or gets to the line - we're excluding those where he gets the assists - with those, he's the best post-up weapon in the NBA).
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On the top of all that, you have the best rebounder and defender in the NBA = best bigman in the league.
Yeah. Save the money till September though.
I'll probably get it anyways to check it out since it doesn't cost too much, but ya, I was kind of discouraged that you can only keep the archives until then..how is next year going to be like though? are they going to be available for longer or what?..
I saw the screen shots/preview for it, looks really interesting..
I was told they'd have a larger database + more detailed tagging + almost instant data logging.
Why are Mavs and Blazers fans talking about Howard? They wouldn't know a good center if they saw one.
Particularly Mavs fans. Dwight completely owned Brendan "the savior" Haywood this season and they still talk about him.
Those people saying he doesn't have any post moves are a little bit wrong.
He has a lefty hook over his right shoulder that is unguardable if he makes it. He has a rolling right hand hook as well. I've seen him pull out other moves every now and again but the matter of the fact is that they don't really post him that much, not as much as your typical franchise big guy. Just because his moves don't look pretty doesn't mean it doesn't work.
Again, regarding his numbers...
I don't know what it says. I just know I don't like his game.
I'm not saying it's rational.
If his brain was half the size of his bicep then definitely he would be one of the best defenders of all time, along with the memorial names like Bill Russell, etc., but clearly DH doesn't have such a skull that is big enough to allow the room needed for a good brain. it's fair to say his low BBIQ tampers with his career to a severe degree.
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