Harris > Kidd

[MateoNeygro]

harris is a low % scorer. granted, kidd wasn't the answer either, but neither was harris. Beaubois > Harris right now, and after he develops some more it won't even be a discussion.

Harris is a low % scorer because the team he is on sucks . The opposing defenses can completely key on Harris when on D thus making him less effective. With this Mavs team and Dirk being the center of the offense a player like Harris would thrive greatly. If you would really rather Kidd than Harris and 2 first rounders then well...You are a moron.

[Mavs_man_41]

Harris has been terrible, dunno what Spurs fans are smoking. 40% shooting when your only job is scoring is pretty terrible. Harris > Kidd only applies against the Spurs where he turns into an all-star and shoots 50%. Exactly like Josh Howard.

Nobody takes Harris/Howard over Kidd/Butler if they have any goal of beating anyone other than the Spurs. The Mavs didn't need more scrub role players and TBH, they still have too many. Fact is, having a bunch of Spurs-killers on the roster doesn't make you good.

What that team really needs is a slasher in their roster as a number 2 role. Get rid of dead-weight like Marion or half of the jump shooters to make it happen. Either way, they already have a fast guard in that rookie, making Harris is redundant.

No one watches the Nets, so they don't realize how mediocre Devin Harris has been. They only remember being torched by him a long time ago.

exactly, it's amazing how there's still this misconception about harris out there because he was good in that spurs series 4 years ago. 40% shooting is TERRIBLE no matter how you spin it. not to mention 27% from 3! you play off of him and he's been proven easy to contain.

mavs order of importance:

1) development of roddy b

2) a legit 2 guard with the SIZE to play and defend his position, preferably a good defensive one

3) more big men. back up to dirk, and a starting center or backup to haywood. preferably both of these guys aren't total offensive liabilities. post scoring is like a luxury we've never had, and it's killed us. it's really hard to win with a team built on no post scoring whatsoever.

[MateoNeygro]

exactly, it's amazing how there's still this misconception about harris out there because he was good in that spurs series 4 years ago. 40% shooting is TERRIBLE no matter how you spin it. not to mention 27% from 3! you play off of him and he's been proven easy to contain.

mavs order of importance:

1) development of roddy b

2) a legit 2 guard with the SIZE to play and defend his position, preferably a good defensive one

3) more big men. back up to dirk, and a starting center or backup to haywood. preferably both of these guys aren't total offensive liabilities. post scoring is like a luxury we've never had, and it's killed us. it's really hard to win with a team built on no post scoring whatsoever.

Fair enough I can respect that. Would you really have Kidd than Harris and those 2 picks though???

[Mavs_man_41]

Fair enough I can respect that. Would you really have Kidd than Harris and those 2 picks though???

with either kidd or harris, the result is still all those first round exits so i could really care less on that part. it's the 2 picks that bothers me, terrible terrible move our part.

[badfish22]

Kidds minutes need to be lowered dramatically so he is fresh for the playoffs.

[Mavs_man_41]

Kidds minutes need to be lowered dramatically so he is fresh for the playoffs.

I'm not so sure that Kidd is the answer at PG for a championship caliber team, which is what I hope we are aspiring to be. In order for that to work, you have to have a badass collection of players to mask his weakness, like Fisher in LA. Kidd would need a a badass defender on either side of him at the 2 and the 3 to mask his lack of ability to defend quick players. And one of those guys would have to also be a go to scorer that can create his shot and keep the offense from going stale in the halfcourt like it did against SA and Dirk getting no help. A guy like Iggy fills that defensive role, but isn't exactly a great shooter or complete offensive player needed to create in the halfcourt. Not to mention we would lack outside shooting, considering Iggy isn't a great 3 point shooter and although Kidd is a good 3 point shooter in the regular season, his shot is too unorthodox and slow for him to get comfortable looks when the defense tightens up in the playoffs, once again just like we saw in the Spurs series. So basically unless we can land Wade, as much as I like Kidd I don't think we are winning a ring with him as our starting PG I'm sad to say.

[MateoNeygro]

with either kidd or harris, the result is still all those first round exits so i could really care less on that part. it's the 2 picks that bothers me, terrible terrible move our part.

yea true.

[mavsfan1000]

And? The sky is blue.

[Mavs_man_41]

I'm not so sure that Kidd is the answer at PG for a championship caliber team, which is what I hope we are aspiring to be. In order for that to work, you have to have a badass collection of players to mask his weakness, like Fisher in LA. Kidd would need a a badass defender on either side of him at the 2 and the 3 to mask his lack of ability to defend quick players. And one of those guys would have to also be a go to scorer that can create his shot and keep the offense from going stale in the halfcourt like it did against SA and Dirk getting no help. A guy like Iggy fills that defensive role, but isn't exactly a great shooter or complete offensive player needed to create in the halfcourt. Not to mention we would lack outside shooting, considering Iggy isn't a great 3 point shooter and although Kidd is a good 3 point shooter in the regular season, his shot is too unorthodox and slow for him to get comfortable looks when the defense tightens up in the playoffs, once again just like we saw in the Spurs series. So basically unless we can land Wade, as much as I like Kidd I don't think we are winning a ring with him as our starting PG I'm sad to say.

stretch mono findog what do you guys think about this

[spursfan1000]

Harris is better than Kidd now?

I'm sure you closely followed the 12 win Nets this year to reach that conclusion, right?

Kidd had a much better and more consistent year than Harris. Harris took a giant step backward this season but nobody realized it because the nets were so ty.

This. But it was really stupid to trade Harris for Kidd because Kidd is so old and Harris can still be in NBA for another 8-9 years.

[badfish22]

I'm not so sure that Kidd is the answer at PG for a championship caliber team, which is what I hope we are aspiring to be. In order for that to work, you have to have a badass collection of players to mask his weakness, like Fisher in LA. Kidd would need a a badass defender on either side of him at the 2 and the 3 to mask his lack of ability to defend quick players. And one of those guys would have to also be a go to scorer that can create his shot and keep the offense from going stale in the halfcourt like it did against SA and Dirk getting no help. A guy like Iggy fills that defensive role, but isn't exactly a great shooter or complete offensive player needed to create in the halfcourt. Not to mention we would lack outside shooting, considering Iggy isn't a great 3 point shooter and although Kidd is a good 3 point shooter in the regular season, his shot is too unorthodox and slow for him to get comfortable looks when the defense tightens up in the playoffs, once again just like we saw in the Spurs series. So basically unless we can land Wade, as much as I like Kidd I don't think we are winning a ring with him as our starting PG I'm sad to say.

Kidd isn't as bad as Fisher. Not even close. Don't let this playoff series fool you into thinking Kidd is a terrible player. That stretch after the all-star break showed what he is still capable of imho. He just got run down and it is rumored he was sick (whether you believe that is up to you). Kidd cannot be one of your best players if you expect to win a championship, but he isn't Fisher level.

[badfish22]

stretch mono findog what do you guys think about this

mono and findog don't post here anymore for the time being.

[timvpimp]

mono and findog don't post here anymore for the time being.

that's why the Mavs krew sucks in recent days, I guess.

[badfish22]

that's why the Mavs krew sucks in recent days, I guess.

+1. But the absence of Rogue is making it a bit easier imo.

[timvpimp]

+1. But the absence of Rogue is making it a bit easier imo.

you mean "monosylab1k's "?

[NewJerSpur]

I'm just glad the Mavs traded Harris and got him out of the Spurs hair......along with Howard, Diop, Bass, Daniels, and the other former Mavs that gave San Antonio problems in one form or another.

[Mavs_man_41]

Kidd isn't as bad as Fisher. Not even close. Don't let this playoff series fool you into thinking Kidd is a terrible player. That stretch after the all-star break showed what he is still capable of imho. He just got run down and it is rumored he was sick (whether you believe that is up to you). Kidd cannot be one of your best players if you expect to win a championship, but he isn't Fisher level.

i didn't say he's fisher level, i said it's the same idea. Neither kidd nor fisher are good enough to be pg's on championship level teams, unless you put a RIDICULOUS amount of talent around them (kobe bryant, pau gasol, andrew bynum, lamar odom, ron artest)

[Basketballgirl25]

Roddy will better than that injury prone guard here shortly.

but who will Roddy have on his team once Dirk leaves one player can't win it all. At least with Harris on the Nets you can see a really Bright future with Brook, Lee, T-Will, etc. With Roddy right now you see him and Dirk, in the future you see mavs sucking without Dirk with what they have right now

[DaDakota]

Cuban and his meddling have screwed the Mavs out of at least one championship.

Nash and Harris - should have been kept...particularly Nash....over what...$7 million total?

Man....Mark Cuban wants to win, he needs to learn to stay the course.

Turnover in roster = lack of chemistry = failure in playoffs.

DD