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Well in EU top clubs play 3 leagues in almost all countries, euroleague as league with just top euro clubs, then national league and national cup. Teams play with something like 2-3 days rest so its quite similar to NBA.
How many games does he play per season? What's the length of the regular season in that league...and how many games do you play in the playoffs?
Well in EU top clubs play 3 leagues in almost all countries, euroleague as league with just top euro clubs, then national league and national cup. Teams play with something like 2-3 days rest so its quite similar to NBA.
All I'm saying that you can't compare playing against inferior compe ion for [however many games there are in Euroleague's regular season, still unspecified] to the 82 game grind of the NBA season against (unquestionably) the best basketball players in the world.
Tony's a top five PG in the NBA, I don't think too many people will argue with that.
Manu was MVP in Europe, and it took him 3 years to adjust to the NBA game. If the year before he came into the league you said that his rookie year in the NBA he'd be better than any of the top 5 NBA players at his position, it would have been laughable, and it would have been wrong. You might be able to make the arguement now, three years later, but the year before he came into the league that would have been plain wrong. The benefit of hindsight proves this.
So to say that the best PG in Europe is better than a top 5 NBA guard already is ridiculous. The game is played on a whole other level here. I'm sure he looks great against the players over there, but to proclaim him as better now than one of the top guards in the league is jumping the gun a little bit. Plus, the guy's 29, right? If he comes over next year, it will take him a few years to adjust to the speed at which the game is played here. Just in time for age to start catching up to him.
He isn't now, and never will be, better than Tony Parker. If he was, he'd be leading the league in assists already. He'll come over next year, and he'll start the season as a backup. If he earns the starting spot quicker than game 3 of the regular season, I'll buy into his potential. But he has to do it here. You can't compare players not in the NBA to players in the NBA. In addition to it being apples/oranges, it's not fair to the non-NBA player, and it's an insult to the players who have earned the right to play basketball at it's highest level.
You cant say that NBA is so much better than Euroleague. The fact is that in Europe is playin totaly diferent style of game. NBA is more show basketball and "superstars" with 100+ millions........ And in last years Its all about the $$ and superstars.
And why in OL the USA stars dont win it all , becouse they have too much of $$ and other teams play with heart and soul.
preach, papi, preach. i mean, the guy is 29, and i think tony is better than him at 20. no comparison. and as i said before, tony is a scoring pg, but he is also a pure pg. he averages 6 assists without dominating the ball like jason kidd and steve nash and marbury, and AI, some of the nba's top assist leaders. and he plays less minutes. come on. lets be more realistic about this
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oh, you're killing me...whooo.....
Tell you what: you take the best team in Euroleague, and I'll take the best team in the NBA, and let them play a 7 game series. , I'll take any of the 5 best teams. You know what, I'll take the Nuggets. You take whoever you want from Euroleague, and I'll take the Nuggets. 7 games. You would bet me money on this? Because if you would, that has got to be the most warped perception since ducks' at ude towards Lebron.
NBA players lost the gold because they are not a team, and they were playing against teams. Let a European team into the NBA. They'd get stomped by the Bulls.
An NBA team would beat a Euroleague team, and an NBA All-Star team would beat a Euro-All-Star team. 10 times out of 10.
They are not a team?? What they are so?
...and as for that "heart and soul" crack: save that for the ing tourists.
Ever seen AI play? Ben Wallace? Dwayne Wade? Kevin Garnett? Malik Rose? Steve Nash? Stephen Jackson? Rip Hamilton? Emeka Okafor? Gilbert Arenas? Kenyon Martin? Ben Gordon? Reggie Miller? Michael Jordan? Or was Sarunas better than him, too?
If European basketball is so good and so compe ive, tell me how many players, in their prime, leave the NBA for Euroleague? How many leave Euroleague for the NBA?
Sure NBA is better, they have much more $$$ . Who wont go to NBA if there is a lot of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
They were an all-star team. They played together for mere months. The teams they played against play together their whole lives. You think if the USA sent the Spurs to the olympics they would lose?
Give me a break. Put together a team of Europe's all-stars and a team of US allstars, let them practice for the same amount of time, and let's see who comes out on top.
Or, like I said, put any Euro team against the Spurs. and bring your checkbook.
...as in: The NBA has better players, better teams, and a higher quality of play.
this:
...is ridiculous.
I did not say that Sarunas is better than Jordan, Kidd,......... You are just talking how good is NBA....
Ofcourse Jordan was better becouse he have such an athletic body and so on and on..... The European players are much more smarter but they dont have so much natural gifts than NBA stars....
Europes
You're right about that. If you have one (athletic ability) or the other (basketball IQ), you can be a productive player in the league. To dominate in this league, you have to have both.
Like, say, a Tony Parker.
Sarunas might have a high basketball IQ, but that's not enough to make him better than Tony. Tony has both.
I'm confused. Is this grammatical? It's meant to be possessive. As in, belonging to Europe. Which would make it "Europe's"...as opposed to "Europes" - plural.
Look. I say if Sarunas will came to NBA. He wont do much becouse he is to slow. He is a good shooter and other stuff but too slow for NBA and not enough athletic abilitys.
Man i must go now ! See you! By
Cool. Nice chatting with ya. I love the NBA vs. Rest of World debate. There's rich arguements on both sides, so it's always good stuff.
If you run into Dario:
...school the man, would ya? Thanks.
We'll likely see some Euroleague teams play NBA teams this coming preseason.
Prepare for heavy vBookie action.
sarunas is better than tony
Your kidding me right???
Tony Parker would eat his lunch night and day, and then again.
Got to be kidding me.
Hey Europe...I got news for you...you guys didn't beat us for the Gold Medal...Argentina did...and they beat you too.
Stop acting like the Argentinian National Team is representative of Europe.
And they didn't do it by standing around shooting a bunch of jump shots. They weren't playing the style of ball as any other team in the Olympics...the game they played was all their own.
They did it, because they were both talented and experienced with many years of play togther... by running our asses off the court, disecting our D, and because our team was comprised of a bunch of low PCT shooting ball hogging guards and rookies, and only one true star bigman....We had no semblance of an ouside game.
It was a team of stars like we always send...but the stars just weren't as good, or as experienced...they couldn't shoot like the Reggie Miller and Bird and Jordan etc..
I'd say Reggie Miller could have been the difference between us winning and losing.
But anyway...the gap betweeen the Euro leagues and the NBA is not that wide...but the rules have enough differences to where not all players that are good over there are going to be good over here...
No one, except Segu, thought Manu was going to have a problem translating to the NBA...all of us saw what he could be....just based on brief glimpses...
I love Sarunas' at ude and his shooting...but he's not just going to come over and pull a Manu. If we valued shooting, rightly or wrongly, that much, we would have put it on our Olympic team...
Whether he starts or comes off the bench, will be up to a coach, and not his defensive ability or lack thereof...but his game is not gonna translate to the NBA like Manu's did. Bank on it. I've seen the guy play(more than 1 game)...it aint gonna happen.
Meanwhile...you guys seriously need to stop bandwaggoning Argentina's accomplishment...that was a National Team Tournament...unless Argentina is a of a lot bigger country then I realize...it doesn't include the country of every Euro who thinks he has the right to talk to Team USA...secondly...stop acting like what Manu does is common, to Europe, or the NBA...it's not. What Argentina did was all their own, and what Manu does is all his own. I am not trashing Euro ball, the major differences are the rules and style of play now.
...but you guys didn't beat us....stop nutriding the Argentinians, then beat us yourselves...and then you can talk about team USA with some credibility.
And the same thing goes for Sabonis the last time we lost...if every C in Europe was like Sabonis, then every team in the NBA right now, except for the Heat, would have a European C...and Spurs fans would be creaming over our own young Lithuanian C. There's only one Sabonis...there's only one Manu...just because those guys were etradordinary talents in both leagues does not mean that every guy that's good over there will be good in the NBA.
whottt!!!
Jumping in the game cold...in overtime...burying a 3, stealing the inbound, ferocious dunk at the buzzer.
Game over.
whottt wins.
There is no point guard that the Spurs would take over Parker.
Kidd and Iverson are probably the two best but they are older.
I really hope we meet Phoenix in the WCF, if Parker plays like he usually does against Nash, all the people who voted for him would be ashamed.
You guys are acting like only argentina beat you up, i remember some other teams were involved too
And to say its hard adapting to NBA rules is another bull , its NBA players who have hard time adapting to EU rules, every little travel is called, 3 sec violation called, more fauls called. We all know here if you make good dunk you can travel almost from half the court and people would still applaud
Oh and why didnt you guys send a TEAM to National Team Tournament instead of bunch of superstars, who i'll say it again: lost not just against argentina
Answer: Marketing the stars and a dumb selection committee.Oh and why didnt you guys send a TEAM to National Team Tournament instead of bunch of superstars, who i'll say it again: lost not just against argentina
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