Jerry West shouldn't be the NBA logo and doesn't deserve the le "Mr Clutch"

[Ghazi]

Smells like bloody asshole in here. You can always tell the Lakers are about to bring home another LOB when threads like this start popping up left and right. It's good to know that OP spends so much time worrying about the greatness of the Lakers franchise. Jerry West is the logo because we run this ! Everyone knows this. That's why you gots always whine about Stern doing for the Lakers. So this obviously isn't a new concept to you. But I understand that you felt the need to make this thread because of the PAIINNNN you feel from getting swept out of the playoffs. Oh I feel the jealousy and envy in your posts. Does it hurt? Does it burn? Keep it coming please. Your tears sustain me.

[midnightpulp]

No he's no top 10. He's barely top 10 in the league today. Nothing about his game or stats makes him top 10. Stats don't lie. He's not top 10 in anything, not one aspect of the game. If so, prove it with stats. Don't give me this about "oh he shut down the Forum with a great game." Go suck a . In fact, hes not even better than Barkely. A prime Barkely would wear Ducan's ass out. You put KG on the Spurs, and you get the same results.

Stats don't lie and he ranks 4 or 5 overall in playoff PER all time. And all PER is combining the measurable stats into one easy number. I know you hate the metric, cause Kobe don't even scratch the surface when compared to all the true all time greats.

But hey, you're absolutely en led to think Duncan is overrated.

Likewise, I think Kobe is the most overrated player in league history. Not one great Finals performance. On the all time worst Finals performance list. Many playoff runs where he shot below 45%.

You put Tracy McGrady with Shaq during the 3 peat, you get the same results.

So touche.

[midnightpulp]

He's going to prove to you how NOT trolled he is by writing a 10 page essay.

Since when does a couple hundred words cons ute a 10 page essay?

I know Laker fans are dumb and borderline illiterate, but there's no heavy reading being thrown about in here.

Nice try at your little burn, though. God forbid someone put a little effort into actually having a basketball discussion on a forum for basketball discussion.

[ginobili's bald spot]

Since when does a couple hundred words cons ute a 10 page essay?

I know Laker fans are dumb and borderline illiterate, but there's no heavy reading being thrown about in here.

Nice try at your little burn, though. God forbid someone put a little effort into actually having a basketball discussion on a forum for basketball discussion.

Fortunately as an illiterate I understand the concept of hyperbole.

And a big lol goes out to how emotional this dude gets. Keep fighting the good fight little guy!

[midnightpulp]

I'm glad you brought this PER up, nerd. As if greatness can be measured by numbers alone. Tell you what. Kobe is well on his way to defending his le for the third time, while Duncan has yet to do it once. How's that for playoff performances. With all of his great PER's, the motherfuccer hasn't even come close to defending his le.

Can't win them all. Hasn't come close? Duncan was injured in 00. And in 04, 06, and 08, the Spurs lost to the eventual WC Champions all three times. And you're the one who asked for stats and I obliged you, now when the stats don't fall in line with your perception of things, you conveniently dismiss them. Well played.

And if you want to talk intangibles, read what Bill Russell has to say about Duncan in that area. Especially his passing.

Results don't lie. Sure Duncan's teams never repeated (neither has Kobe's, remember, those were Shaq's teams) but at the end of the day, he and the Spurs sucked it up and got it back.

Results: Phil/Shaq/Kobe Lakers - 4 Ships
Duncan/Pop - 4 Ships.

Duncan 3 Finals MVPs
Shaq 3 Finals MVPs
Kobe 1 Finals MVPs

If he was so great and transcendent, why was he never the best player on any of those 3 peat teams? Even in 01 when Kobe was on fire, Shaq still crushed his ass statistically.

As a Laker poster colleague of your would say,

"Quit hating."

[midnightpulp]

Arguing with you is like riding a merry go round. My horse is still going strong, while your is faded.

Nice comeback.

Anyhow, you're right, this is a merry go-round. You're too prideful to admit error, own up, and give some credit where it's due, even when faced with a legitimate argument.

And I ain't never gonna buy the fact that Kobe is a top 10 great until he leads his team to multiple les.

Man of my word, he does it this year, he's totally deserving. Until then, he's in the same tier with the subject of this very thread.

[BRHornet45]

He's white.

son that fact alone is the main reason why the logo should be changed. You wouldn't want a black man on the logo of NASCAR would you?