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ducks, the illegals are renters. They pay the rent, and the owner pays the property taxes out of that rent, so, they pay for their kids schools and the teachers. It's no different from citizens who rent.
having kids there that parents are not paying taxes does not help pay for the school teachers
that is why a flat tax is better
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and then the tax payers do no thave to pay for all the irs workers!
ducks, the illegals are renters. They pay the rent, and the owner pays the property taxes out of that rent, so, they pay for their kids schools and the teachers. It's no different from citizens who rent.
Nono and Jack both make great points. The welfare of an American child with illegal immigrant parents is something to consider but can't be the only thing. But deportation is not a permanent solution.
What's happening is comparable to a very large person getting liposuction. Now that the skin has expanded to house all that fat and the fat has been taken away, there is excess material left over and it's a real problem. Also from this article it appears people aren't being deported, they are leaving on their own accord. If that's what Arizona wants - to affect incentives - then, well, mission accomplished.
Two pronged effort
Secure border too, along with this.
If so many resources hadn't been diverted to illegal school children, ducks might know how to write.
No, we should at least pay for American kids, regardless of what their parent's country of origin is.
Last edited by ElNono; 05-30-2010 at 05:18 PM.
You know what my point is. Enforcement without actually getting serious about the border is meaningless and a waste of our tax money.
I would say secure the border first, then once you know there's no leaks, you can start getting tough on enforcement. This is something I have no problem with.
Except that the vast majority of immigrants, illegal or otherwise, do pay taxes.
And the reason they do it is because if they ever get a chance to legalize their situation, they need to show at least 3 years worth of tax payments.
Heck, you don't need to prove citizenship to get a Tax ID, and most of the time that's the only valid id an illegal alien can get.
I'm actually pretty sure that the IRS will be the very first one having a significant drop in revenue if we every manage to control the immigration situation.
And BTW, to work 12 hours for $5/hour, I would be willing to bet that the American rather be on food stamps.
Do it all. Arizona bill is a good step towards these law breakers. I like it because now you have dems/repugs actually talking about borders, schools, work, etc......... 15 million is a HUGE problem. We need to get rid of them too.
Immigrations is always talked about. I would just like for once to do it right, not ass-backwards.
Arizona is a start.
That's a logical fallacy.
First of all, you cannot pay an American 5 dollars an hour. Federal and State minimum wage laws prevent that.
So companies will be forced to pay what they are supposed to pay, and adapt to survive.
Lastly, if your next point will be :
"Then they will have to raise prices!"
well, I can guarantee that another company will come along and offer lower prices to gain a compe ive advantage.
It will introduce a new business model. This is how capitalism works. Adapt, adapt, adapt.
'Adapt to survive' meaning outsourcing or closing shop...
The new business model being to ask congress to create a temporary visa program to get cheaper labor... we've seen this picture before many, many times.
Arizona is the end, and since we didn't start from the beginning, it's a waste.
It's the beginning.
Lol, Closing shop is a good thing. Another company will take it's place. There are THOUSANDS/MILLIONS of americans who would LOVE to take their place.
As for the rest, Multi-pronged effort.
The next step will be to take measures to prevent outsourcing.
In my opinion, outsourcing jobs but still selling the services in America is tantamount to economic treason. These companies are depriving American citizens of employment, and offering low-cost products that were made through slave labor in other countries. This in turn hurts AMERICAN businesses because they cannot compete with products via slave labor. It is de able and sub-human behavior on the part of these businessmen, and should be treated as economic treason against the United States. It is a way to cir vent our laws and it hurts our economy.
So raise their import taxes to astronomical levels, or begin other measures to completely stop outsourcing.
If you want to serve American citizens, play by the rules.
Create a law stating that all Temporary Visa workers are en led to the state and federal minimum wages of the USA.
Believe me, the workers will demand their money.
What you or I think is irrelevant. And I personally don't disagree with you.
But companies pay Washington to get what they want, so if they want to outsource or create artificial demand with a capped visa system in order to raise prices, they will get it. It's really naive to think otherwise.
Then prices will rise, wether you like it or not.
There's no magic 8 ball here. If you have to give benefits, pay taxes on those wages, etc. then it will be passed to the consumer.
Like I said, after certain threshold, it's simply easier not to work and get by with foodstamps and state/federal aid.
Yes, we know they get what they want. That's why we are here, this is why the country has been purchased a long time ago.
We are talking about fixing it
Also,
do you look at the profits these companies are making?
Look at Wal-Mart, and many others. It's in the tens of billions.
They will be forced to curtail their profits by lowering their prices, or be taken down by another start-up company who DOES OFFER lower prices.
If you think the 'fix' has anything to do with attacking the oligarchy, then you'll get really disappointed, really quick.
Securing the border actually is something that works great both for the country and for the corps. It gives them an excuse to raise praises while still being able to nudge Washington to get full control of the cheap labor.
What is really surprising is that it hasn't happened yet.
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