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Licha > Palermo, no contest
Yeah, but in the NT he hasn't played that well (much like Verón)... I love his game, and he has played great at the club level, but I'm not sold there was room for him in this team unless Mascherano goes down.
Pupi remains a solid defender. He simply can't make those big runs forward anymore. Jonas is definitely the player with better pace, plus you can play him on either side, including the midfield.
I much rather take Cambiasso over of any of those two. So basically, no room for them.
Sure, but Palermo is only going in if we're down one, there's 10 mins to go and we start kicking hail mary's for a header that can save us. And really, in that function, Palermo is a lot better than Licha. Otherwise, with Milito, Agüero, Tevez, Messi and Higuan, there's no way in there's room for Lopez.
Licha > Palermo, no contest
Are you out of your mind? Did you ever see your NT team play with Cambiasso? claiming he played bad on the NT is just looking at this BS Maradona's team. Cambiasso has been one of the ultimate winners and direct responsible of Argentina's world stage soccer level of the past 10 years.
Still Jonas is inexperienced at this level of Play and you don't precisely need him to go up front all the time with Maxi Rodriguez to get that done. I hope I'm wrong though I think Jonas will choke... this ain't no qualifier or Premier B league...
lol Bolatti
lol miracle header player that missed three straight penalties last time he played with the NT on a cup stake's compe ion
I've seen it. And we haven't won with Cambiasso on the team for the past 10+ years. Go take a look at the last Copa America final against Brazil, he was awful. Replaced by Aimar midway through the second half. And this predates Maradona. He wasn't any better with Basile either.
At the club level he has always been superb. There's just some players that don't translate to playing well for the NT.
Maxi is not playing though. And Zanetti not being there has more to do with fielding 3 or 4 center-back than anything (which, BTW, is not a creation of Maradona. Bilardo used the same tactic in '86 and '90).
Now, there's something we can agree with...
That said, he's good enough to score against Uruguay
He was also responsible for qualifying us (alongside Bolatti). And doing exactly what I was telling you: looking for a miracle header in the nick of time. Don't forget that for a while our tallest forwards were Agüero and Tevez... Impossible to win a header under pressure with them.lol miracle header player that missed three straight penalties last time he played with the NT on a cup stake's compe ion
IIRC he won the Gold medal in 2004
lol Youth WC won with Pekerman
and he was one of Argentina's best players last WC scoring one of the best team goals in the history of the cup...
just accept it... if Cambiasso is not there is already a fail... he is the ultimate small team killer... just leave him out when you play Brazil
Zanetti has a history of cruising in the qualifiers just like Veron and Ayala... so no... this is another failure
The match was bound to end 0-0 when Caceres made that deserved foul to "flop machine though I foul hard and it wasn't me" Heinze... and the draw would have qualified Argentina and Maradona would have celebrated the same classless way....Now, there's something we can agree with...
That said, he's good enough to score against Uruguay
So the squad isn't deep enough to have to have a miracle header guy because your other talent wouldn't beat a team on 90 minutes
Yes, same with a lot of other Argie forwards but the thing with Palermo is that he has an unique skillset (headers) compared to our other attackers, so I'm OK with Maradona picking him. Licha would have been kind of redundant with Higuain and Milito on the team. Besides as ElNono said, the only way Palermo gets some playing time is if we're down and running out of time.
He didn't.
I knew you were going to bring up that goal...
The only good thing you can come up with when thinking about Cambiasso in the NT, and it was against a scrub team.
If he can't show up when it matters, he can simply watch it at home. We have plenty of those already.just accept it... if Cambiasso is not there is already a fail... he is the ultimate small team killer... just leave him out when you play Brazil
The only history Zanetti has is not making the team in the previous World Cup either. I guess Pekerman was a failure too...
lol BolattiThe match was bound to end 0-0 when Caceres made that deserved foul to "flop machine though I foul hard and it wasn't me" Heinze... and the draw would have qualified Argentina and Maradona would have celebrated the same classless way....
When you're facing elimination it's simply better to have another option in desperation time. Licha is simply redundant in that function.So the squad isn't deep enough to have to have a miracle header guy because your other talent wouldn't beat a team on 90 minutes
I don't expect France to advance past group play.
Algeria:
Yazid Mansouri, the Captain
He sucks
Everybody in Algeria hates him
The bad news is that the coach will probably start him in the WC because he is the Captain
Update,
It looks like he is going to be benched
Algeria:
Yazid Mansouri, the Captain
He sucks
Everybody in Algeria hates him
The bad news is that the coach will probably start him in the WC because he is the Captain
sorry to butt in your discussion guys, but i have to say:
argentina has won all manner of youth WC the past what, 12-13 years? Im not 100% sure but I think from 95-2009 something like 6-7 youth WC... and during that span the adult team has been 100% disappointment. even when they played well- qualifier period for 02, they had a huge unbeaten stretch then get eliminated in the 1st round; 04, 07 copa america finals where they stormed to the finals as big favorite just to get schooled by brazil (+05 confed cup same story). There are players that just wilt when they go up a level and their physical advantages cease to make a difference. to make matters worse old players dont always die graciously, and we all know with the money at stake strings get pulled. I think diego took Garce to send the rest a message: "I dont care how big your billboards are- I want a worker class guy" (we can argue how much of a hard work garce actually transmits because he sucks so he must not work much but my point stands) and also to transmit diego's spiritual conviction that they'll win with him
guys like cambiasso, aimar, zanetti, lucho gonzalez, they had their chance. in soccer you have 3 subs a game, the tournaments are short, the bench hardly matters. I dont think its a big deal for diego to have taken garce. he isnt going to play a minute. in a perfect world, you take the best to recognize their work so to speak, and respect the position; but this isn't a perfect world and diego is using that to try and motivate his players. in my view, diego isnt a normal coach. his function isnt to instruct. its to motivate- because he can use his accomplishments to instill confidence with his players, and because he can call them out and manipulate the media against them to compel them to play their ass off. the players wouldnt be able to cut the floor out from diego the way he can them, other coaches dont have that luxury. so I think it was a good move from diego, and its not because he doesnt rate them as players (they played in his cycle) but this is maradona's way of telling his starters "i need you and only you, we dont need no stinking backups."
and finally a big
oh and the one player that is criminal for him to be out is riquelme.
he's had injuries so its almost a moot point but if you had a healthy riquelme (close to 06 WC level) in place of veron this team would be champs. (argentina isnt the only country looking weak this year- in fact, who isnt? Spain? whoever wants to bet about how that will go, lets hear it!)
diego chill out, it's just one game. What if we don't win the next one?
give me a ing break. Anyone who thinks we'd be better off with Riquelme still running this team doesn't know , period. Veron might not be all that anymore, but Riquelme is so ing washed up, its pretty damn ridiculous. That is unless you're talking to a Boca fan, which kind of defeats the point. There is no 2006 Riquelme anymore, and even if there was Maradona's team isn't Peckerman's team.
so what? I'm talking about whether it was a good move, not that i expect it to play out that exact way.
I do expect them to reach the QF. losing the next game wont have a lot of bearing on that. the difference between playing 1st or 2nd from group A is almost nil. if they dont make the QF, i'll be disappointed, but more in the players than the coach, the way it should be.
and the comment about riquelme/ veron - i'm talking more about the drop off, we're playing a 34 yr old in the middle of the field for a WC, expecting him to control the pace of the game, riquelme could play that role much better and nail those freekicks messi gets, he would greatly improve this team (if he were healthy, so as i said moot point)
he's not healthy so its a moot point, but when he is healthy 2010 riquelme > 2010 veron, go ahead and start arguing about his personality, veron is just as much the diva. please tell me what improvement argentina needs to make, and if your answer is to replace maradona, please give an actual footie argument for it- or better yet, tell me who wanted to take the job when he did.
Riquelme and Veron have nothing in common, they don't even play the same position. And Veron even at age 35 runs a lot more than Riquelme.
And no matter how we end up doing, not selecting Zanetti and Cambiasso and picking Garce is ridiculous.
Pretty much every coach in the world, I heard that even Bianchi was ready to leave his problems with Grondona on a side if he would have been asked to coach the NT.
ok, so if argentina wins the WC with garce on the roster, you wont celebrate it or count it because it was ridiculous to take garce. we could have been better than champs with zanetti not playing a minute instead!
and riquelme and veron have a lot in common. obviously they are not the same, and veron does run more. but he isnt playing the 5 like when he was younger (masche is doing that and we need him to play flawless). he's playing further up front to help the midfield control the ball, direct the offense, and be the leader of the team. those are all things that riquelme does, on top of being the best FK taker on the team if he were on it. we already have players that run. veron is there to slow it down when necessary, again, riquelme is much better at that. its a moot point because he's had a bad stretch of injuries, otherwise he is the one player that could make a difference for this team. cambiaso? zanetti? they are good catenaccio players, but that isnt the style diego is looking for. if it werent for their spat, maradona would be playing riquelme in veron's place and it would be the right decision.
the position was open and a bunch of good coaches left the job on the table and maradona jumped on the sinking ship. you think we would/should have gotten someone like capello or eriksson instead?
how did barca do with guardiola or reikjard (however the you spell it!)? you dont need tactics if you have good motivated players that can hold on to the ball and score goals.
Of course I will celebrate, but the winner isn't always right, specially not in football. That's why I said no matter the result, Maradona was wrong for not taking Zanetti and Cambiasso and going for a player that we all know isn't an international level player, even Garce knows that.
Take today's game as an example. Who was our worst player? Jonas Gutierrez, but it's not his fault that Maradona put him in a position that he never plays in. Think about how much more confident we will be right now with a world class side back as Zanetti playing instead of Gutierrez.
None of the things you said in here are true.
Maradona was the only one who got offered the coaching job after Basile left.
And Guardiola and Rijkaard are great tacticians.
Riquelme wants to be the center of attention. And it works as long as he gives a . Then, when he stops caring or disappears (like against Germany last World Cup), then you're done. It's not surprise that every team where Riquelme played was either entirely dependent on him or a bust.
Veron might be getting long in the tooth, but he's nothing like that. We might lose every game from here on out, but the right thing to do was to hand over the keys to the team to your most talented player, and that's Messi now. Diego was spot on with that.
As far as the defense, tactics, and what not, don't forget Bilardo is over there, and even if Diego doesn't give a , you know that sneaky narigon is probably waking up players in the middle of the night and running them through videotapes. He's an obsessive compulsive guy. There's no way he doesn't have some sort of handle on it.
You can't tell me this three full-back defense didn't remind you of Brown-Ruggeri-Garre from 85/86...
diego, I usually agree with about everything you write in here- almost everytime I start reading through a thread and feel like making a comment, you come up with what I wanted to say and say it in a much clearer way (although you could use some paragraphing
I was just thinking that until I read your comment about Maradona leaving out Riquelme. Man, unless you're a Boca fan I can't see why anyone would think that, and this has nothing to do with him being injured or not. Just in case you forgot, Riquelme quit the team. ing twice.
Veron and Riquelme have absolutely nothing in common, other than both being all-world talents. In fact, I think they are the complete opposite as far as leading a team goes. Personality, as much as you try to diminish it (btw, I'm not buying that "Veron is as much a diva as Riquelme" bull ), has a lot to do with being or not in the team, and even more so when you are supposed to be the leader of a group.
u guys do know whoever maradonna falls in love with and praise to be the next big thing, all fail...
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