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NJ now saying that it won't trade its pick.
Is it silly to entertain the following:
Trade TP/Blair for Harris/Williams and the 3rd
Draft Favors
Trade Favors rights, RJ and Dyess to Philly for Iggy/Kapono/Future 1st?
NJ now saying that it won't trade its pick.
Talk is that NJ is looking at a trade with NO: Chris Paul for the #3 pick.
http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/smith_100607.html
[QUOTE=manufan10;4406814]Talk is that NJ is looking at a trade with NO: Chris Paul for the #3 pick.
I'll try to do the CP3 trade than Parker trade too,if I am the NJ boss.
So we want to get rid of Hill and Blair because they aren't going to dominate. The guy we get IS going to dominate. Sounds good so far.
Now on the other side. That team is going to trade a guy who will dominate for two guys who won't dominate. Why do they do that, exactly?
Why not eliminate all the uncertainty, and trade Jefferson for Chris Paul or Dwight Howard. The salaries work. And as long as we believe that a team is willing to give up a dominant player for lesser value, why not aim higher?
You're right that Hill is not a true point guard. Of course, Parker is a scoring PG much more than a "pure" PG. But between Ginobili, Hill, and Temple we would have what we need to win. We could also pick up Chris Duhon on the cheap this off season. He's a pass-first, half-court PG, and he's underrated after playing in D'Antoni's run and gun offense.
I refuse to believe that Paul would ever be traded for a draft pick, unless it's a massive salary dump.
That would go into the history books right alongside the Gasol trade.
God damn you people overvalue your players. Hill and Blair = 3rd pick in the draft? Parker = 3rd pick and Harris. Wow. The best is the person saying NJ would want Parker because he has star appeal.. Really? Outside of San Antonio?
Reality Check. Painful but true.
Ahhh snap it is like telling the fat girl she is pretty.
At this very moment, Tony Parker has at least $50 million in the bank and Eva Longoria as his wife.
But if he found out he had to play for Avery Johnson, he would shoot himself in the head in less than five minutes.
great points from a lot of the posters so far. i'd just like to toss my two cents in on the potential tradeability of tony.
as a life long spur fan and absolute lover of my main man tp, i've been telling everyone i know we shouldnt trade him, but its starting to get increasingly difficult to reconcile that emotionally motivated stance with an understanding of the league and our situation. the spurs need youth, athleticism, and, more than anything, a young athletic big man. the spurs would love more than anything to have their all-time-great-mvp-trained all-time great mvp bring along the next franchise center piece. derrick favors could be that guy, and its beginning to become quite clear that, come tony's free agency, the spurs are gonna have to commit a lot of money to keep him, and could easily lose out to someone with deeper pockets. losing tony without getting anything in return would definitely expedite the death of of an era, and signing him to a big money contract with manu already on the books would probably just prolong it as we slowly declined. if the spurs could somehow work a trade with tony parker and the #3 pick as the principals and we grabbed favors...i cant say my heartbreak wouldnt be more than tempered by my excitement.
that said, favors is universally described as "raw," and a "project," and drafting high on potential almost never works out well (for every tyreke evans theres 8 or so kwames and tskitishvilis). if we pull that trigger a lot of pressure will be on favors, sure he wouldnt be expected to carry the team like most top 5 picks, but the hopes of any sustained spurs success would be riding on him. if that deal goes down the FO has to be SOLD this kid is a player.
The reality is there has been one team led to the finals with a point guard as the undisputed best player on the tem and that was Philly with Iverson. They got there in a very weak eastern conference and were no match in the finals. Does anyone believe that Utah will make it with Deron Williams as the best player on the team or New Orleans will make it with Paul as the best player. I understand the loyalty but for God's sake we won a tiltle with Avery Johnson. The Lakers are poised to win a le with Fisher who was a backup before he went back to LA.
totally agree, we have been lucky enough to come across some great talent in the last two drafts. Why would you throw this away for an unproven player. Hill and Blair are not only great to watch but represent something this club has not had for a while, "talented young players". Go back to the drawing board, there are plenty of better options. Who is to say we don't come up with another draft steal at #20?
This is exactly what I meant when I said that even with this influx of guards in the NBA, it still doesn't change the fact that the way to build a team is from the inside out.
It would be a tragedy, just downright criminal if Tim Duncan never got a chance to mentor and pass down his wisdom and knowledge to a young C/PF the way David Robinson did for him. , even David Robinson had Moses Malone as a teammate for a year. Coincidentally, that was the year he won his MVP ('94-'95).
Why would any of you want to trade a former finals MVP for an unknown?
1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10.........I won't bash the noob........
A good bit of advice: Think of any trade you propose from the other teams perspective first. If you view it as highway robbery, it's probably a product of not enough research, or just blatant homerism. I'm guilty of the exact same thing, but I only think about those things in my mind (I don't post em!!)
Good try though.
First of all, good points in general but:
Red- Look closely at what I outlined. On the one hand you acknowledge that Favors is a project. You then proceed to claim that having him would give us a "legit" big man next to Duncan. What's it gonna be? He's not both. How long do you think it would take for him to become "polished"? I see another year of learning and sputtering with him in the mix, much like with RJ. He's a great talent, but he's absolutely raw and needs more time than we have to get it together.
If Timmy is 30, or if the Spurs aren't contenders, I'm all for this move. Otherwise, I've gotta go with talent that's at least "semi-proven" in Splitter for now.
Blue - Interesting stat, also 6 of the 8 teams that did not have a dominant big man in the center had the GOAT instead.......
Everybody is an unknown at some point in their careers. Besides, there is a real possibility that Tony Parker could leave next year without the Spurs getting compensation.
Yeah, true enough he is a project, but I'm willing to bet he would be better than anything Tim Duncan had next to him since David Robinson, especially with the chance to make a difference without the pressure of carrying a team. And like I said, every player is an unknown before they play their first game.
Everyone is assuming a trade is going to happen for TP. The most likely thing that will happen is that the Spurs will draft the best player available at #20 and hope that he can contribute. I wouldn't put it past them to do another draft and stash on an international player like they have in the past. The Spurs just don't have the money right now to be wheeling and dealing.
Most likely Splitter comes over for the full or partial MLE, they sign some other quality vets to shore up their bench and go with what they have. TP probably will be given an extension because Manu received one and he is part of their core. The Spurs organization is loyal to their stars and will do whatever they can to keep Tony. I just don't see TP going anywhere. Even if he has a great season and demands max money, he won't get it from anyone, so he knows his best option would be to just sign an extension with the Spurs.
..........but with the pressure of learning Pops system in a short time frame so as to be an effective 25-30 minute per game cog this coming season. I just don't see that happening. Splitter will have a hard enough time adjusting to the system even with all of his experience. Even so, I'm betting that his transition will be a heck of a lot smoother than Favors' would be. Splitter can give us 25-30 effective minutes now, I don't think Favors will be ready to do that till at least next year.
Again, if Timmy is 30 or so, I'm all for pulling the trigger on this. You've gotta go with a player that's more seasoned at this point though.
I get the enthusiasm for Favors. He's got an enormous upside, but that's going to take 2-3 years to blossom fully. He's a move you make if you're focusing on the Spurs future after Duncan, not if you want to win now.
Don't forget the goal: Win another one while Timmy's around. The Spurs have only 2 seasons left to accomplish this.
Uh, Maybe TP doesn't get to Detroit much, but he is a rock star in France and connects well to the international image that the new Russian owner wants to portray.
Parker for the 3rd isn't a stretch IMO. The other trade is obviously quite silly.
If we could get Harris with the #3 for Tony... and a morsel, I would be down. The Mavs shot themselves in the foot for the Kidd trade. Harris is really pretty good at D and has the offensive game to make opposing point guards tired. Hill and Harris at the point would work. It would be even better with Splitter. Splitter/Favors/Duncan makes my man Blair expendable. Unfortunately, for the trade. Blair is my 3rd favorite on this team, too.
Harris makes his free throws and goes to the hole. We would need some outside shooters.
http://www.nba.com/fantasy/fantasy_p...s#devin_harris
Man, though. Harris is making 8 mil, I don't know how we'd pull that off.
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