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"Amare and JJ are ideal max contract players but it wouldn't be some ridiculous undeserving monstrosity for them to get max deals."
Read the sentence how it is. Doesn't make sense that way. typo.
It's not. For some reason, DoK has an Amare fetish.
"Amare and JJ are ideal max contract players but it wouldn't be some ridiculous undeserving monstrosity for them to get max deals."
Read the sentence how it is. Doesn't make sense that way. typo.
DoK still has a fetish for Amare though.
meant to say not ideal max contract players. The only two "ideal" max contract players in the NBA today are Lebron and Kobe.
Glad to see at least someone (Roddy) knows how to use context clues.
Sons, that doesn't change the fact you wanna pat 4 rebound ecstasy a max contract for some reason.
It's not. Grant Hill is a ty defender these days and wildly inconsistent offensive player.
lol getting bukkaked by Peja Stojakovic
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...911190NOH.html
Depends. I don't wanna give him a full extension where he picks up his option then gets 5 more years, but if he picked up his option and got a 3 year deal with max money or close to it I'd be ok with it.
Tbh, idk why I take so much for hoping the Suns give Amare a max range deal yet no one thinks Rocketfan is moronic for being OK with Yao having a max deal. I really don't care, it just makes no sense.
You don't see it as unreasonable that Amare will get the max, but you think 3.2M for Grant Hill is above his market value.
Rocketfan defended T-Quit for years. Not surprising.
But Amare isn't worth the max unless you already have a championship caliber squad in place and you're just trying to stockpile talent. And that only works if you don't care about paying tax.
If you wanna talk about market value, then I'd love to hear why Amare getting the max is so far above his market value in a league where Rashard Lewis, Gilbert Arenas, Jermaine O'Neal and Michael Redd have max deals.
You don't see it as unreasonable that Amare will get the max, but you think 3.2M for Grant Hill is above his market value.
EDIT: I still don't get why 3.2M is such a bargain for someone with the defensive capabilities of a walking corpse.
You laughed at the notion that 3.2M for Hill was a bargain. Are you saying he couldn't have gotten more if he had opted out?
Yes I am saying that he would not have gotten more. He tried to get more last season and failed miserably.
Now explain why Amare getting a max deal is so outrageous in a league where the players mentioned also have max deals.
I don't at all agree with the first part, but I have no interest in arguing the market value of Grant Hill. You think that he couldn't get more than a one year deal for 55% of the MLE, fine.
On the second part, I've never said Amare wouldn't get a max deal. I'm simply of the opinion that the team that gives him a max deal will regret it long before the contract expires.
The economics of the summer of 2010 mean that Amare's price will be at the max or very close to it. Some team will give it to him. It doesn't mean it will be a good idea to pay that price. I certainly wouldn't want him on my team at that price. Thus the thread le. IMO, Phoenix will be better off letting Amare walk than giving him a max extension.
Because the system is broken. Which is why we'll most likely see a work stoppage in 2011.
There's no way you can definitively say Phoenix will be worse off/better off letting him leave/resigning him. If they let him leave and find the next superstar in the draft, yeah they were better off letting him leave. If they let him leave, never find an adequate replacement while he's on another team and his knee never becomes an issue, it was a decision that hurt Phoenix. There are too many ifs and maybes to say one way or another.
Just a hunch, but Amare might just be saying this so teams don't low ball him if he hits free agency. If he really wanted nothing short of a max deal, then what the could Kerr and Amare's agent be "negotiating" about? If it really were the case, his agent woulda simply faxed Kerr a max offer and said you have till June 30th to accept this or my client is becoming a free agent.
I can't disagree there, my only point is that given how the NBA is currently constructed Amare getting a max deal is raising a lot more eyebrows than it should.
Obviously, there are many variables that will come into play over the next 5-6 NBA seasons. Everything said on this topic is an opinion.
My opinion is that Amare will not play up to a max contract and that the team that signs him will regret the decision long before the contract expires.
This part I agree with completely, which is why I'd rather him leave than get a max 5 year deal. 3 year deal different story.
That's been my point since the first post.
Amare will definetly get a 5 year deal somewhere and he is going to take it.
And the team that offers the most money and the longest deal is NOT going to be Phoenix Suns.
Sign&trade is the best possible outcome. Second best is letting him go.
Completely agree.
It's too bad he'd never want to go to a ty rebuilding team like Houston because they have some assets to give in a S&T.
DoK, assuming a S&T, what do you think would be the best possible, realistic deal?
Well Phoenix will have some leverage because Amare can get a 6 year deal in a S&T. As much as he'll never admit it, Amare wants as much guaranteed money as possible in this next deal given how the health of his knee might be deteriorated when the contract is up. The 3 realistic destinations are NY, NJ and Miami. If it's a situation where a team whiffed on the other free agents and has tons of cap room beyond Amare, then pawn off Barbosa if possible.
If it's New Jersey, I'd be more than content with Terrence Williams + JianLian + 2011 1st rounder
If it's New York, I'd be happy with Bill Walker/Wilson Chandler + Toney Douglas + whenever the their next 1st round pick they haven't traded is. I'd mention Galinari but I doubt NY trades him.
If it's Miami then Deaquean Cook + Beasley + 2011 1st rounder
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