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    laws are above the president
    Sincerely yours,



    the late 20th century
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    Grasping again. I didn't say Obama was at fault, just stupid, which he
    is.

    It never occurred to him or his amateurs to get everyone together in
    the beginning so they could coordinate efforts. Of course it would look
    bad asking all those Republican Governors for suggestions or asking them
    how he, Obama, could help them. Or talking to the CEO of BP to see
    what their plan of action was and how the administration could assist.

    I guess he could go down there and stand in the rain again, we all know
    he hasn't got enought sense to come in out of the rain. But I want to
    see him kicking his own ass, since he has said the buck stopped with him.




    We all know he never responsible for anything that fails.

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    What is that for?

    You might like chasing your tail in circles, but I don't, and I doubt others do.

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    Ya'll are still expecting the U.S. FEDERAL GOVERNMENT to do anything correctly that doesn't involve killing people?

    Have you hosers been in Canada all this time or what, eh?
    Hope you enjoy the electricity provided to your computer to type that message, and the water you put in your coffee pot this morning to brew with, not to mention the road you drove to work on today (especially if you used an interstate), or the nearly 100% reliable phone calls you made for the majority of your life until cell phone towers started going up everywhere.

    Yep. The Fed messes everything up.


    Me? Not especially. I thought the USG could and can do more to be helpful, if only by getting out of the way.

    Whereas Yoni seemed to be straight up pining for a robust Federal response.

    I wonder whether he would have welcomed it with the same sympathy attached to its description, had things been otherwise.
    Yoni wants a massive Federal response so he can blame them when their response isn't satisfactory in his eyes.

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    Hope you enjoy the electricity provided to your computer to type that message, and the water you put in your coffee pot this morning to brew with, not to mention the road you drove to work on today (especially if you used an interstate), or the nearly 100% reliable phone calls you made for the majority of your life until cell phone towers started going up everywhere.

    Yep. The Fed messes everything up.




    Yoni wants a massive Federal response so he can blame them when their response isn't satisfactory in his eyes.

    In the first damn place, government doesn't furnish all electricity and
    where it does, as in our case, they raise the rates and then give money
    to a University to look for new energy sources.....we don't need any
    damn new energy sources. And buy electricity from wind farms in
    West Texas that is subsidized by the government to begin with and
    then ask if we want to pay more for the damn power.....

    I don't recall making a phone call to Obama to respond to the problem
    in the gulf. I figure BP will handle it ASAP since it costing them a
    bundle of money for that well to get spewing oil and gas.

    Companies have a real incentive to stopping accidents, money. Government
    has a real incentive to get involved. More regulation. And Obama is
    pushing it to the hilt. Cap/Tax

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    Companies have a real incentive to stopping accidents
    When the penalties have no teeth, the regulators are sniffing cocaine off lobbyists asses, and legal delay puts the claimant class in the poorhouse or the graveyard? Not really.

    Consider BP.
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    Their disaster preparedness was so piss-poor Exxon gave them the heave ho on the Valdez cleanup; the Texas City explosion a few years back killed 18 and wounded 170, and resulted in criminal safety claims against BP; then there was the pipeline spill in Alaska, the biggest ever in the US up 'til then; and now comes Deepwater Horizon.

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    I figure BP will handle it ASAP since it costing them a
    bundle of money for that well to get spewing oil and gas.
    Famous last words.

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    Did you read it yet?


    You might like chasing your tail in circles, but I don't, and I doubt others do.
    I linked a relevant thread.

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    Famous last words.
    OTOH you could be right as well, xrayZ.

    We'll see, or not.

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    (boring speculative contretemps)

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    Can't we create our own book with vbookie, and just do prop bets with each other? Is that allowed?

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    I'll bet on that proposition. BP stops the flow quick, defined as say, within the next six months.

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    The usual amount?

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    Randolph and Mortimer...

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    I've got the over.

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    Experts Say White House 'Misrepresented' Views to Justify Drilling Moratorium

    The seven experts who advised President Obama
    on how to deal with offshore drilling safety after the Deepwater Horizon explosion are accusing his administration of misrepresenting their views to make it appear that they supported a six-month drilling moratorium -- something they actually oppose.
    Hmmm...interesting.
    Salazar's report to Obama said a panel of seven experts "peer reviewed" his recommendations, which included a six-month moratorium on permits for new wells being drilled using floating rigs and an immediate halt to drilling operations.

    "None of us actually reviewed the memorandum as it is in the report," oil expert Ken Arnold told Fox News. "What was in the report at the time it was reviewed was quite a bit different in its impact to what there is now. So we wanted to distance ourselves from that recommendation."

    Salazar apologized to those experts Thursday.
    I see....

    "The experts who are involved in crafting the report gave us their recommendation and their input and I very much appreciate those recommendations," he said. "It was not their decision on the moratorium. It was my decision and the president's decision to move forward."

    In a letter the experts sent to Salazar, they said his primary recommendation "misrepresents" their position and that halting the drilling is actually a bad idea.
    The most transparent and competent administration, ever!

    So, what did the experts say would happen if Obama ins uted a moratorium?

    They also said that because the floating rigs are scarce and in high demand worldwide, they will not simply sit in the Gulf idle for six months. The rigs will go to the North Sea and West Africa, possibly preventing the U.S. from being able to resume drilling for years.

    They also said the best and most advanced rigs will be the first to go, leaving the U.S. with the older and potentially less safe rights operating in the nation's coastal waters.
    We are led by an idiot.

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    Did you read it yet?


    I linked a relevant thread.
    Yes, I've been following this thread.

    So where did they say the oil spill is Obama's fault?

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    Yes, I've been following this thread.

    So where did they say the oil spill is Obama's fault?
    I said they blame everything on Obama. You haven't noticed the trend?

    You post here regularly, Wild Cobra. Do you read the posts?

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