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    It might be just me, but Okafor appears to be deteriorating already. The fact that he is only 27, and he still has 4 years left on his contract makes this pretty alarming if you are considering trading for him.

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    haha no he doesn't, rondo is probably 3rd best i think... Cp3 and deron still have him covered. Cp3s playmaking ability is superior to that of rondos and i think pauls rebound averages sit around 4-5rbpg which is very good from your point guard. Not to mention he gets you the 20 points shooting at a higher percentage overall (when you consider fg, ft and 3pt).
    ok.

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    It might be just me, but Okafor appears to be deteriorating already. The fact that he is only 27, and he still has 4 years left on his contract makes this pretty alarming if you are considering trading for him.
    He's not a good fit in NO, because they are a transition based team. He's not deteriorating as much as having his minutes curtailed. He got 10/9 in only like 27 minutes last year.

    BTW, 27 is not that old for a big man, quite young, in fact. They tend to have much longer careers than a quick guard or a wing player with springs. When his contract is done, he'll be two years younger than Duncan is right now.

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    He's not a good fit in NO, because they are a transition based team. He's not deteriorating as much as having his minutes curtailed. He got 10/9 in only like 27 minutes last year.

    BTW, 27 is not that old for a big man, quite young, in fact. They tend to have much longer careers than a quick guard or a wing player with springs. When his contract is done, he'll be two years younger than Duncan is right now.


    Exactly, which is why it is even more alarming that he looks like he is regressing at a young age.

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    Exactly, which is why it is even more alarming that he looks like he is regressing at a young age.
    He's in the wrong system. A running team does not play to his strengths. There's nothing wrong with him that playing on a half court team wouldn't cure.

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    Trading RJ for two expiring contracts make sense. Expecting value in return is insane.

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    He's in the wrong system. A running team does not play to his strengths. There's nothing wrong with him that playing on a half court team wouldn't cure.
    ^^^ What he said.

    Isnt he a Texas boy?

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    Okafor's contract is what kills this in all probability....I didn't know it was so fat....plus I'm thinking Splitter is coming...it's gonna be a long couple of weeks.

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    Trading RJ for two expiring contracts make sense. Expecting value in return is insane.
    Which is why they're moving him, and you might get him for RJ's expiring. It's the new NBA economics.
    You think we're not providing value by "lifting" $39M right off NO's books? That is a franchise that is in ing financial trouble. They've been trading "something" for "nothing" for about the last 15 months just to get "something" off their books before tax calculation time.

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    If the Spurs get Tiago, there is no need for Okafor.

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    We dont know what Tiago can provide for us or the NBA. We know for a fact what Oka brings. Too bad it costs 11+ Mil a year to get it. So it wont happen. BUT...I am not even remotely close to being sold on Splitter solving our front court problems.

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    collison/okafor
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    jefferson/splitter

    - no gets rid of okafors contract, and picks up jefferson who will be an expiring after the season
    - jefferson and okafor both get to play in systems that better suit their playstyle
    - no gets a relatively cheap bigman with potential
    - sa gets a solid big (13ppg/10rpg/2blk career, anyone think splitter will put up similar numbers? )who can play good minutes next to duncan, and a more traditional young pg

    this is all under the assumption that the sa fo are not interested in giving parker an extension and are worried he will bolt after the season or continue his summer play. this trade leaves us with a large gaping whole at the sf position, which could be filled with a parker trade ( gallinari/gay/trade for #3 ?) and a backup sf with the #20.

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    If the Spurs get Tiago, there is no need for Okafor.
    Gotta disagree with this and go with:

    We dont know what Tiago can provide for us or the NBA. We know for a fact what Oka brings. Too bad it costs 11+ Mil a year to get it. So it wont happen. BUT...I am not even remotely close to being sold on Splitter solving our front court problems.
    Unfortunately, Okafor is too expensive for Holts taste, especially after the whole Jefferson episode.

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    I am surprised there are not more people jumping on this.

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    collison/okafor
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    jefferson/splitter

    - no gets rid of okafors contract, and picks up jefferson who will be an expiring after the season
    - jefferson and okafor both get to play in systems that better suit their playstyle
    - no gets a relatively cheap bigman with potential
    - sa gets a solid big (13ppg/10rpg/2blk career, anyone think splitter will put up similar numbers? )who can play good minutes next to duncan, and a more traditional young pg

    this is all under the assumption that the sa fo are not interested in giving parker an extension and are worried he will bolt after the season or continue his summer play. this trade leaves us with a large gaping whole at the sf position, which could be filled with a parker trade ( gallinari/gay/trade for #3 ?) and a backup sf with the #20.
    That is about a semi-realistic picture perfect take. We could do better, but obviously a of a lot worse. Cheers to that. Lets hope we come up with something similar to the value of this. 13 10 2 would look great next to Duncan. So would a very good young PG talent as insurance. Ah well,...probably wishful thinking.

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    Why get Collison win you have Tony "Finals MVP" Parker and George "Mavs Killer" Hill?

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    Why get Collison win you have Tony "Finals MVP" Parker and George "Mavs Killer" Hill?
    Because trades are more exciting than working with what you have or having faith that the best big in Europe at a discount price will be more useful than an over-priced, under-sized, perennially injured center with middling success in the NBA.

    Collison is a great player, but we don't need him as much as a versatile 3, and trading useful players for Okafor will only guarantee us the same mediocrity Charlotte and NO have enjoyed.

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    Because trades are more exciting than working with what you have or having faith that the best big in Europe at a discount price will be more useful than an over-priced, under-sized, perennially injured center with middling success in the NBA.

    Collison is a great player, but we don't need him as much as a versatile 3, and trading useful players for Okafor will only guarantee us the same mediocrity Charlotte and NO have enjoyed.
    False on Okafor, he would thrive in our system. I'm not saying he'd turn into an all star, but he wouldn't be a liability.

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    False on Okafor, he would thrive in our system. I'm not saying he'd turn into an all star, but he wouldn't be a liability.
    Considering his career problems with injuries, I beg to differ.

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    Considering his career problems with injuries, I beg to differ.
    You mean the last 3 seasons where he played all 246 games?

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    Splitter > Okafor

    If Tiago is coming over he will be a better overall player than Okafor over the next 5 years - the only exception may be next year (Spiltter's 1st NBA season)

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    Because trades are more exciting than working with what you have or having faith that the best big in Europe at a discount price will be more useful than an over-priced, under-sized, perennially injured center with middling success in the NBA.

    Collison is a great player, but we don't need him as much as a versatile 3, and trading useful players for Okafor will only guarantee us the same mediocrity Charlotte and NO have enjoyed.
    Okafor isn't the issue here, it's his contract. Do you believe that Splitter will also average 13/10/2 over his NBA tenure? I don't see it.

    I also don't see RJ being a valuable contributor going forward. He's gotta be moved, period.

    Splitter > Okafor

    If Tiago is coming over he will be a better overall player than Okafor over the next 5 years - the only exception may be next year (Spiltter's 1st NBA season)


    At the NBA level, this is straight up false. Splitter hasn't played a minute of NBA ball while Okafor has averaged 13/10/2 over his career. That's a double double for those not paying attention. I don't see Splitter doing that.

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    Considering his career problems with injuries, I beg to differ.
    You mean the last 3 seasons where he played all 246 games?
    Beat me to it......

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    You mean the last 3 seasons where he played all 246 games?
    No, I mean the fact that he lost sensation in his feet before being traded when he has a known issue with his back. He may have played solid minutes/games, but he's had known spinal issues since his draft and he's gotten no younger.

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    And for the record, I think Splitter will be better with the Spurs than Okafor would be, cost considered.

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