Where does Kobe ranks among the all time Finals chokers in NBA history

[Kai]

[Baseline]

Bryant is definitely the biggest Finals choker. He has a TON of talent flanking him, but he doesn't elevate their play. He doesn't make them better.

Bryant's style of play is selfish. Everybody knows the Lakers are a better team when Bryant scores 20-25, and gets 7+ assists. Thing is, despite the talent around him, that's hard for him to do. He just doesn't play that way. He is an individual performer in a team game.

Bryant is a scorer, not a "great basketball player." Boston has four guys who are all very good individual players, but they know that playing together as a team will get them further. Bryant still hasn't figured that out yet.

By the way, as hot as Bryant was tonight, he still didn't shoot 50% from the field, nor has he been able to do that in any game this series.

[Ghazi]

This series so far isn't about what Kobe is doing wrong, or his supporting cast is doing wrong.... it is about the greatness of the Celtics.

and Kobe's supporting cast is overrated. Bynum/Odom are inconsistent, Artest is a flawed offensive player, and Fisher save that 1 game is showing why people were complaining about him all year. Bench ain't nothin to call home about either... who on the Lakers bench would be capable of having performance like Nasty Nate/Glen Davis in Game 4? Nobody comes to mind.

[MiamiHeat]

This series so far isn't about what Kobe is doing wrong, or his supporting cast is doing wrong.... it is about the greatness of the Celtics.

and Kobe's supporting cast is overrated. Bynum/Odom are inconsistent, Artest is a flawed offensive player, and Fisher save that 1 game is showing why people were complaining about him all year. Bench ain't nothin to call home about either... who on the Lakers bench would be capable of having performance like Nasty Nate/Glen Davis in Game 4? Nobody comes to mind.

or do you think they are overrated because of Bryant's selfish play, that causes them to look poorly?

[ezau]

or do you think they are overrated because of Bryant's selfish play, that causes them to look poorly?

This Lakers team is underachieving because Kobe is chucking shots at an all-time rate.

[Giuseppe]

^Abbott & Costello performing live. It's adorable.

[TampaDude]

This Lakers team is underachieving because Kobe is chucking shots at an all-time rate.

This Lakers team is underachieving because Kobe keeps throwing his teammates under the bus.

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[gaKNOW!blee]

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[JamStone]

What's crazy is some of you actually believe this .

Any other superstar player in the league who had the game Kobe had yesterday would be praised for doing everything he could do to keep his team in the game. Kobe gets ted on for not allowing his teammates to get involved. Did you watch how ty his teammates were playing? It's not Kobe. Kobe does pass the ball, and he gets called out for not trying to take over. He takes over and gets called unselfish. No other player in the league gets that type of unrelenting and unabashed hate. It's beyond comical.

Kobe shoots a poor percentage from the field. He doesn't care. The last two games he's shot 47% from the field and is the only reason the Lakers even had a chance in either game, and he still gets bashed. Pretty much par for the course from Kobe haters though.

Kobe can't pull Pau's head out of his ass. Kobe can't dangle Kloe's pussy in front of Lamar on the court. Kobe can't give Ron Artest a brain transplant.

Yes, I'm a Kobe apologist. Admittedly so. But some of you Kobe haters can't accept how deranged your Kobe hate logic is.

[Giuseppe]

Wow!

That award did wonders for ya, Jammie. Congratulations, yer like Cliff Robertson in "Charly."

[Chieflion]

What's crazy is some of you actually believe this .

Any other superstar player in the league who had the game Kobe had yesterday would be praised for doing everything he could do to keep his team in the game. Kobe gets ted on for not allowing his teammates to get involved. Did you watch how ty his teammates were playing? It's not Kobe. Kobe does pass the ball, and he gets called out for not trying to take over. He takes over and gets called unselfish. No other player in the league gets that type of unrelenting and unabashed hate. It's beyond comical.

Kobe shoots a poor percentage from the field. He doesn't care. The last two games he's shot 47% from the field and is the only reason the Lakers even had a chance in either game, and he still gets bashed. Pretty much par for the course from Kobe haters though.

Kobe can't pull Pau's head out of his ass. Kobe can't dangle Kloe's pussy in front of Lamar on the court. Kobe can't give Ron Artest a brain transplant.

Yes, I'm a Kobe apologist. Admittedly so. But some of you Kobe haters can't accept how deranged your Kobe hate logic is.

Some of them are trolling. And this question can be deduced as "All-time Finals chokers", which also essentially means 2004 and 2008. Kobe did all he could on game 5, still not enough. With the exception of that 3rd quarter burst, he did play subpar for his standards, especially in the 1st half. By the way, check your PM.

[TampaDude]

What's crazy is some of you actually believe this .

Any other superstar player in the league who had the game Kobe had yesterday would be praised for doing everything he could do to keep his team in the game. Kobe gets ted on for not allowing his teammates to get involved. Did you watch how ty his teammates were playing? It's not Kobe. Kobe does pass the ball, and he gets called out for not trying to take over. He takes over and gets called unselfish. No other player in the league gets that type of unrelenting and unabashed hate. It's beyond comical.

Kobe shoots a poor percentage from the field. He doesn't care. The last two games he's shot 47% from the field and is the only reason the Lakers even had a chance in either game, and he still gets bashed. Pretty much par for the course from Kobe haters though.

Kobe can't pull Pau's head out of his ass. Kobe can't dangle Kloe's pussy in front of Lamar on the court. Kobe can't give Ron Artest a brain transplant.

Yes, I'm a Kobe apologist. Admittedly so. But some of you Kobe haters can't accept how deranged your Kobe hate logic is.

Hey, Kobe IS doing his part on the court...I mean, 38 points...what more does PJ want? His teammates have ing all but disappeared, though. If Gasol doesn't step up big again, the Lakers are not winning Game 6.

[JamStone]

Wow!

That award did wonders for ya, Jammie. Congratulations, yer like Cliff Robertson in "Charly."

A charming request to drop my pants and unzip would suffice.

There are other ways to treat a sore throat, you know.

[Giuseppe]

A charming request to drop my pants and unzip would suffice.

There are other ways to treat a sore throat, you know.

But, still common enough to play stinky finger with Cubby.

You're so adorable when you're awarded.

[Giuseppe]

If Gasol doesn't step up big again, the Lakers are not winning Game 6.

Let's see,,,,if Gasol steps up big again, we're collusioned to death. If he doesn't we're stuck at 15.

I'll go for the collusion end.......I can't stand the San Antonio Celtics gettin' their 21 & 1/2 ring on. No way!

[JamStone]

Cully, your infatuations do not amuse me.

I'd suggest you play nice in your little no-medal play pen and speak to me when you've had something else other than a dildo to polish.

[Giuseppe]

Cully, your infatuations do not amuse me.

I'd suggest you play nice in your little no-medal play pen and speak to me when you've had something else other than a dildo to polish.

Acting all high & mighty cuz of that Award.

You're the Victoria Barkley of The Lakers Board at ST.

I think I'm turned on, Jammie.

[JamStone]

I keep giving you gifts. You still don't show any gra ude. I'm starting to think it's in vain.

Still dreaming of your glass slipper in the attic. Maybe your days coming.

[Giuseppe]

I keep giving you gifts. You still don't show any gra ude. I'm starting to think it's in vain.

Still dreaming of your glass slipper in the attic. Maybe your days coming.

Yeah, my days coming all right, and the glass slipper won't be in the attic, it'll be on the Princess' foot and up my money maker.

[JamStone]

Still waiting on a thank you.

[Giuseppe]

Still waiting on a thank you.

I'm not thanking you until you admit your complicity in our new found relationship based on the bestowment of your Award.

[mavsfan1000]

And people thought Dirk was bad at choking. Kobe takes it to another level. But MJ was the biggest choker ever.

[Giuseppe]

And people thought Dirk was bad at choking.

What do you expect, you stupid ass, you were a gnat's ass from breaking your cherry and you stepped out the side door, Dirk leading the way.

[BUMP]

What's crazy is some of you actually believe this .

Any other superstar player in the league who had the game Kobe had yesterday would be praised for doing everything he could do to keep his team in the game. Kobe gets ted on for not allowing his teammates to get involved. Did you watch how ty his teammates were playing? It's not Kobe. Kobe does pass the ball, and he gets called out for not trying to take over. He takes over and gets called unselfish. No other player in the league gets that type of unrelenting and unabashed hate. It's beyond comical.

Kobe shoots a poor percentage from the field. He doesn't care. The last two games he's shot 47% from the field and is the only reason the Lakers even had a chance in either game, and he still gets bashed. Pretty much par for the course from Kobe haters though.

Kobe can't pull Pau's head out of his ass. Kobe can't dangle Kloe's pussy in front of Lamar on the court. Kobe can't give Ron Artest a brain transplant.

Yes, I'm a Kobe apologist. Admittedly so. But some of you Kobe haters can't accept how deranged your Kobe hate logic is.

You can give your intelligent basketball argument essay all you want, but 29/33 people can't be wrong

[JamStone]

Good point.