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    W4A1 143 43CK? Nbadan's Avatar
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    Modern conservatism and the GOP has been taken over by religious idiots and other zealots whose priorities and concept of the world bear little resemblence to reality, and the faster that is made patently obvious, the sooner we can get around to actually fixing problem
    That's exactly why the tea-baggers seem like misfits in their own party...they want smaller govt now, while the GOP wants bigger govt with more oversight over individuals and less oversight on companies..

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    Are you nuts? I don't think this country could stand another 4 years of wing-nut conservatism...the wing-nuts can't see the short-comings in their policies because it benefits the Corporations, their masters, and the wealth-few over ever one else and they are delusion-ed into thinking that they will someday be in that super-wealthy few...
    The enlightened progressives seem to follow this same pattern.

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    The enlightened progressives seem to follow this same pattern.
    ..pick your policy...

    1. ending the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan

    2. single-payer health-care

    3. prosecuting the Bush Administration for crimes against humanity

    4. Bank and Corporate bail-outs...

    ...there are lots of policies where Progressives and the Obama Administration don't see eye-to-eye...

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    ..pick your policy...

    1. ending the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan

    2. single-payer health-care

    3. prosecuting the Bush Administration for crimes against humanity

    4. Bank and Corporate bail-outs...

    ...there are lots of policies where Progressives and the Obama Administration don't see eye-to-eye...

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    Probably illegal.
    , he may not wait until a second term...

    Internet 'kill switch' proposed for US

    A new US Senate Bill would grant the President far-reaching emergency powers to seize control of, or even shut down, portions of the internet.
    And they're blaming porn.

    'Epidemic' growth of Net porn cited

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    ...that's Neo- Lieberman bill idiot...

    Joe Lieberman, the primary sponsor of the measure and the chairman of the Homeland Security committee, told reporters on Thursday. Lieberman is an independent senator from Connecticut who meets with the Democrats.

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    Even neo Lieberman isn't as bad as the Bush Administration was...

    ...the NCCC cannot order broadband providers or other companies to "conduct surveillance" of Americans unless it's otherwise legally authorised...

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    ..pick your policy...

    1. ending the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan

    2. single-payer health-care

    3. prosecuting the Bush Administration for crimes against humanity

    4. Bank and Corporate bail-outs...

    ...there are lots of policies where Progressives and the Obama Administration don't see eye-to-eye...
    1. Finish in Iraq and GTFO. Afghanistan: Stay there for as long at it takes. My guess is 40+ years. If Obama thinks he can get out, he is sorely mistaken.

    2. Great idea. wish Obama would get on it.

    3. Meh. There is a fair case for prosecuting people involvedin the torture of detainees.

    4. good things. Bush was right to do them, and Obama was right to do them as well. We need to put mechanisms in place so taht they are never necessary again. Breaking up the big banks is probably a good start.

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    Finish in Iraq and GTFO. Afghanistan: Stay there for as long at it takes. My guess is 40+ years. If Obama thinks he can get out, he is sorely mistaken.
    There's little doubt that if we left Afghanistan in its current state that it would deteriorate into a regional terrorists nation again with strict Sharia laws for the populous under the ruthless Taliban...

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    Great idea. wish Obama would get on it.
    No doubt, anyone who thinks preventive health-care is too expensive is nuts....do you wait until your motor is shot to replace the oil and plugs? that's the system we have now, we wait till people break down in emergency rooms where the cost of care to taxpayers is exponentially higher and/or the person dies...

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    Meh. There is a fair case for prosecuting people involvedin the torture of detainees.
    There is a very good case if the U.S. govt. was subpoenaed to release all the evidence it is concealing under its National Security cloak

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    good things. Bush was right to do them, and Obama was right to do them as well. We need to put mechanisms in place so taht they are never necessary again. Breaking up the big banks is probably a good start.
    I know your right, but playing W.H. for a second, I can't help but wonder if this didn't just help lay the groundwork for the next derivative, speculative bubble we will be bailing out...

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    1. Finish in Iraq and GTFO. Afghanistan: Stay there for as long at it takes. My guess is 40+ years. If Obama thinks he can get out, he is sorely mistaken.
    Ah, the "liberal" neocons are coming out of the closet.

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    Ah, the "liberal" neocons are coming out of the closet.
    I'm confused over the time-line arguments. More than 60 years later and we're still in Germany.

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    I'm confused over the time-line arguments. More than 60 years later and we're still in Germany.
    McCain wasn't. Referring to Germany and Korea, he said we should stay in Afghanistan for 100 years, if necessary.

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    We need to put mechanisms in place so [that] they are never necessary again. Breaking up the big banks is probably a good start.
    Care to give odds on that hapening?

    Even with Volcker on the inside and two Fed presidents clamoring for tougher rules, the language didn't make it into the bills. What are the chances it will be added back in conference and then passed in both bodies?

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    Maybe you know something I don't. The bill establishes a resolution authority for the next up, but don't we still need one for this one?

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    Hit to confidence would be too rough?

    What?

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    ..the estimated 1 trillion dollars in new resources is a clear signal we don't intend to leave soon..that's for damn sure..

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    Mine your own business..


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    Ah, the "liberal" neocons are coming out of the closet.
    They were never in the closet to start with. After Vietnam, it was always one big happy war party.(Scoop Jackson? Sam Nunn? Al Gore, even?)

    The dems sometimes don their antiwar drag to electrify the base during the silly season, but they don't really mean it. Just look at the votes.

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