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    Odd time for a bump..i was just considering this the other day. The current growth based economic model is unsustainable. Eventually the day comes where there is no more growth, and the whole thing topples. Resources are finite and therefore growth cannot be finite. From what I understand, governments are begrudgingly starting to realize this and other economic models are currently being developed. The whole idea of compounding interest and debt will go away whenever there is no more economic growth, we'll be maxed out.

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    We need to push local economies to be more self sustaining, so that things like food delivery isnt so damn taxing. Imagine how things might work if everything you needed could be had in a 100-200 mile radius. Less truck drivers, sure, but more folks able to sustain folks and families.
    We need to fix our highways as a national security cost.

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    good luck finding a jet airliner running on alternative fuel.

    also, good luck finding a combine harvester running on alternative fuel.
    There are jets already running on biofuels, and airline companies are seriously dumping R & D money into sources like algae oils. I can probably re-find the articles if you want.

    Ditto for combine harvesters.

    The interesting thing about planes is that they have already tested a solar/battery only prototype that managed to fly intercontinental ranges

    http://www.businessgreen.com/bg/news...ational-flight

    There are a number of interesting technologies out there that will make electrics with batteries a lot more useful, and that will accelerate going forward.

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    Odd time for a bump..i was just considering this the other day. The current growth based economic model is unsustainable. Eventually the day comes where there is no more growth, and the whole thing topples. Resources are finite and therefore growth cannot be finite. From what I understand, governments are begrudgingly starting to realize this and other economic models are currently being developed. The whole idea of compounding interest and debt will go away whenever there is no more economic growth, we'll be maxed out.
    What I find funny is the people who think that 2% growth can happen forever.

    2% growth in oil production means that, at some point, you will have to produce more oil mass in a year than the mass of our planet, and not long after that, you will be "producing" more oil than there is mass in our sun.



    Basic arithmatic.

    Oil will have a very long "tail" where it runs out slowly, and will be with us for a long time, but before too much longer, it will get very expensive, and start to be replaced by other energy sources.

    Not a doom and gloom by any stretch, but it will shock a lot of people who don't know how to cope with change.

    There will, of course, be a lot of money to be made off people like that.

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    There are jets already running on biofuels, and airline companies are seriously dumping R & D money into sources like algae oils. I can probably re-find the articles if you want.

    Ditto for combine harvesters.

    The interesting thing about planes is that they have already tested a solar/battery only prototype that managed to fly intercontinental ranges

    http://www.businessgreen.com/bg/news...ational-flight

    There are a number of interesting technologies out there that will make electrics with batteries a lot more useful, and that will accelerate going forward.
    Tn the end, these numbers are likely not to be usable. Hope they are, but it's a longshot.

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    What I find funny is the people who think that 2% growth can happen forever.

    2% growth in oil production means that, at some point, you will have to produce more oil mass in a year than the mass of our planet, and not long after that, you will be "producing" more oil than there is mass in our sun.



    Basic arithmatic.

    Oil will have a very long "tail" where it runs out slowly, and will be with us for a long time, but before too much longer, it will get very expensive, and start to be replaced by other energy sources.

    Not a doom and gloom by any stretch, but it will shock a lot of people who don't know how to cope with change.

    There will, of course, be a lot of money to be made off people like that.
    Who thinks that?

    At some point society will self regulate the population, and our needs.

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