Kobe : Kobe: "90% of what I've learned came from (Michael Jordan)"

[TheNextGen]

Kobe is a beast. Had a bad game so he did it with defense and rebounds.

[stretch]

LOL wont bother posting stats but MJ had a couple of game 6 stinkbomb in the Finals ... but whatever ...

Of course Kobe learned from Jordan he was the greatest teacher of mid 80's ealy 90's

MJ was PS3 back in the 8-bit nintendo era ...

and with all this Kobe/Jordan comparison crap is the fact most people ignore ...

Jordan was so great because he was SOOOOOO aHEAD of his time.

He was like Jesse Owens or Jim Brown ...a gifted athlete ...that perfected his craft so that he made everyone else "LOOK" like they were playng in slow motion ...

Kobe is a great player some could argue he has some skills MJ doesnt have ...


BUt he will NEVER be that ...

Lebron may develop in to that and that is ONe edge Lebron has on Kobe he is that kind of "rare" special gifted athlete.

Kobe is a just baller simple and plain...who also has perfected his craft but Kobe was never that far ahead of pack athletically ...

Very very good post, agreed on all aspects.

MJ was WAY ahead of his time. There had never been a player quite like Jordan at that time. Nowadays, we have a lot of players that have skillsets and athleticism on par with Jordan, like Kobe, T-Mac, Vince Carter, Lebron, Wade, and others. None of them obviously are as great or accomplished as him, but they are very comparable in what they are capable of doing on the court. What made MJ so great was his intangibles, his mentality, and his unmatched hatred of losing.

[Killakobe81]

This from TrueHoop Somtimes people forget the truth:

Take Jordan, for instance. He clinched his first le as a mostly-bystander watching a monstrous fourth quarter from John Paxson … and the second with five reserves leading a 16-point comeback against Portland in Game 6 ... and the third watching Paxson nail the game-winner in Phoenix.

Regardless MJ>Kobe

[MiamiHeat]

This from TrueHoop Somtimes people forgetthe truth:

Take Jordan, for instance. He clinched his first le as a mostly-bystander watching a monstrous fourth quarter from John Paxson … and the second with five reserves leading a 16-point comeback against Portland in Game 6 ... and the third watching Paxson nail the game-winner in Phoenix.

Regardless MJ>Kobe

Jordan's first le was against Magic's Lakers.

What did he average in that series?

Nothing much,

just 11.4 assists per game
6.8 rpg, 2.8 SPG, 1.4 BPG

and 31 PPG on 55% FG%.


In the "clinching game", where Jordan was a "bystander" in that re ed thing you quoted

30 pts, 10 assists, 4 rebs, 5 steals, 2 blocks, on 52% FG%


where did you get that article? lakersground again?

[Killakobe81]

Found it on True Hoop vis ESPN

Learn to read ... you swinging harder for MJ than his son ...

[SomeCallMeTim]

Great quote ... love "the wire"

RIP Snoop ...

Except that ain't from The Wire.

If I were quoting The Wire, I would've gone with:

"You want it to be one way, but it's the other way."

[TimDunkem]

piece of I hope he dies tonight.

Calm down son!

[Booharv]

Kobe quoted himself?

On a serious note, MJ's legacy as the greatest is still intact. No need to worry... yet.

Kobe could have a better career but he could never be a better player.

[resistanze]

Jordan was dominant in the Finals during the first three-peat.

But Jordan was a chucker/inefficient on many occasions during the second three-peat. , in the 1998 Finals he averaged 27 shot attempts per game (30 shots if you exclude that game 3 curbstomping where he didn''t shoot much) and he shot 43% for the series. In 1997, he attempted 27 FGA and shot under 46%. In 1996, shot a reasonable 20 shots per game but only made 41% of his FGs. A far cry from his 55% Finals shooting in the first three-peat.

This doesn't mean Kobe will ever surpass MJ (he won't), but it seems absurd to criticize his entire Finals based on one game. Maybe if they ended up losing, his ting-of-the-bed would've left a bigger stain, but he won.

[Killakobe81]

Except that ain't from The Wire.

If I were quoting The Wire, I would've gone with:

"You want it to be one way, but it's the other way."

That is a great quote as well ...I thought you were paraphasing Snoop's lecture to Mike ...My bad!

[tlongII]

Kobe's not MJ, but IS great. No shame in that.

[hitmanyr2k]

Deserve's got nothing to do with it.

Cue shotgun blast.

Unforgiven is one of my favorite movies of all-time. The last 10-15 minutes of that movie has some of the best dialogue ever.

"All right, I'm coming out. Any man I see out there, I'm gonna shoot him. Any sum takes a shot at me, I'm not only gonna kill him, but I'm gonna kill his wife, all his friends, and burn his damn house down."

[hitmanyr2k]

This from TrueHoop Somtimes people forget the truth:

Take Jordan, for instance. He clinched his first le as a mostly-bystander watching a monstrous fourth quarter from John Paxson … and the second with five reserves leading a 16-point comeback against Portland in Game 6 ... and the third watching Paxson nail the game-winner in Phoenix.

Regardless MJ>Kobe

Yeah, that's garbage

Jordan wasn't "watching" Paxson do anything. He (along with Pippen) kept attacking the defense and feeding a red-hot Paxson the ball. Phil Jackson got in Jordan's ass especially by singling him out in the huddle and basically told him to start feeding Pax who was constantly wide open from the defensive attention Jordan was receiving. Jordan obeyed and the rest is history. There's a difference between watching and actually creating for teammates. And it's not like Jordan wasn't scoring down the stretch.

Pippen and 4 reserves lead the Bulls back from a 15 point deficit in the 4th to cut it to three. Jordan came back in and he and Pippen finished off Portland in the final 5 minutes. I believe Jordan scored 12 points in the final 5 minutes of that game. He was certainly on the bench cheerleading the comeback but he wasn't exactly "watching" in the final minutes either.

And lastly, Jordan had scored all the points in the 4th qtr for the Bulls in Game 6 of the '93 Finals until Paxson hit the game winner in the final seconds.

So there you have it. You would think "True"hoop would know better

[Giuseppe]

The Suns made Jordan blink in the '93 Finals, especially in Game 6.

If Barkley doesn't crap the bed and jump the shark on the final Chicago inbounds it goes to 7.

[namlook]

He went 6-24 in a Game 7 on his home floor....

It's more like 25% of what he learned came from Michael Jordan.

Jordan shot 26% in the deciding game of the 1996 NBA finals. So I guess Kobe used 96% of what he learned from Jordan in that game.

[TDMVPDPOY]

did jordan ever loss by 40pts

[fevertrees]

Kobe is one of the best #2 options in the history of the game...not sure why he always gets so much hate. =/

[Booharv]

The Suns made Jordan blink in the '93 Finals, especially in Game 6.

If Barkley doesn't crap the bed and jump the shark on the final Chicago inbounds it goes to 7.

Correction, if Jordan doesn't average 40+ ppg in that series it goes to seven.

[Booharv]

Jordan shot 26% in the deciding game of the 1996 NBA finals. So I guess Kobe used 96% of what he learned from Jordan in that game.

What was their overall record on the year after that game? Oh yeah 87-13.

[Giuseppe]

Correction, if Jordan doesn't average 40+ ppg in that series it goes to seven.

No. Go back and watch it from the final Chicago inbounds.

It was Barkley that won Game 6 for Chicago, and stopped it from 7.

Not Jordan.

[BullsDynasty]

Jordan's Points and FG% in all of his series clinching games starting from 1991.

I've highlighted his games where he shot under .500%

1991

1st round
39 Points .500%

2nd round
38 Points .452%

ECF
29 Points 642%

Finals
30 Points .522%




1992

1st round
56 Points .667% << GODLY

2nd round
29 Points .370

ECF
29 Points 642%

Finals
33 Points .522%


1993

1st round
39 Points .571%

2nd round
31 Points .458%

ECF
25 Points .333%

Finals
33 Points .500%


1996

1st round
26 Points .435%

2nd round
35 Points .448%

ECF
45 Points .696% << GODLY

Finals
22 Points .263%


1997

1st round
28 Points .583%

2nd round
24 Points .591%

ECF
28 Points .355%

Finals
39 Points .429%


1998

1st round
38 Points .727% << GODLY

2nd round
33 Points .517%

ECF
28 Points .360%

Finals
45 Points .429%