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    We'll see if the Feds base their AZ suit on Cons utional grounds. If they do and they win, then the right-wingers here, so deeply in love with the Cons ution only when it suits their ideologies and prejudices, will be exposed as nativist racists (again).

    I suspect the right-wingers will go George Wallace and starting spouting off about "states rights" code word, aka racism.
    lololololol

    You do realize the racism-cry angle is transparent right? Most people with common sense understand this weak attempt at the game. It's losing its bite by the day.


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    "the racism-cry angle is transparent right"

    Of course. The racism of Repug party, tea baggers, conservatives has been and is plainly transparent. The class war is also race war. All the dumb, poor s and greasy s living their entire lives on govt tax dollars from the wealthy. yep, totally transparent.

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    We'll see if the Feds base their AZ suit on Cons utional grounds. If they do and they win, then the right-wingers here, so deeply in love with the Cons ution only when it suits their ideologies and prejudices, will be exposed as nativist racists (again).

    I suspect the right-wingers will go George Wallace and starting spouting off about "states rights" code word, aka racism.
    I find it so laughable that you lib s make such statements.

    The Arizona law is a state rewrite of federal law. If it's uncons utional, so is the federal law.

    Keep wondering why I call you guys lib s. It's obvious you'll never understand.

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    I find it so laughable that you lib s make such statements.

    The Arizona law is a state rewrite of federal law. If it's uncons utional, so is the federal law.

    Keep wondering why I call you guys lib s. It's obvious you'll never understand.
    I don't take anyone seriously who uses made up words..

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    You must be referring to the fake outrage by the Federal Government. They mad AZ is about to enforce a law modeled after the gd federal law.

    No, I am not.

    And many of the Arizona law enforcement officials aren't going to enforce it anyway.

    Do you have outrage for them?


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    So is it true this AZ law is a near word-for-word extension of the federal one in the cons ution? I keep hearing that.

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    Like the Bible for "Christians", the Cons ution means whatever activist conservatives want it to mean.

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    No, I am not.

    And many of the Arizona law enforcement officials aren't going to enforce it anyway.

    Do you have outrage for them?

    name a crediable source

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    Political rhetoric ignores border reality
    'Secure first' calls ignore facts, undermine reform



    <snip>
    Here is another way to consider the problem: Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio, a leader in the anti-immigration movement and acclaimed as America's toughest sheriff, cannot secure his own jails. Every year, despite armed guards, electronic locks and video monitors, inmates smuggle drugs in from the outside and sometimes even escape.

    No one would blame Arpaio. All penal ins utions, regardless of security measures, have breaches. Yet imagine if America adopted a position that no new laws could be passed regarding prison reform "until the nation's jails are secure."
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    "Everybody is jumping on the border-security bandwagon, including moderate Democrats," Barry said. "It's not driven by anything real on the grid, not by violence or invasions of illegal immigrants . . . not based on any real assessment of threats to the nation."
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    Wucker, author of "Lockout: Why America Keeps Getting Immigration Wrong," said those who demand a sort of iron curtain prior to policy change are obstructionists: "It means don't ever come up with a workable system.
    Source: The Arizona Republic

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    "name a crediable source"

    try google. There have been many articles on AZ sheriffs and police chiefs and AZ law enforcement orgs saying enforcing the nutcase law would compromise their relations with intimidated/pissed off Hispanics, legal and not, that help the law catch criminals.

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    then they should be fired

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    Hmmmm....

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but state law, county cop...

    He can be terminated, right? At least jailed by the state...

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    Hmmmm....

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but state law, county cop...

    He can be terminated, right? At least jailed by the state...
    Expect another court challenge.

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    So what does Obama think America should do on illegal immigration? Just let every person come into the country without any type of do entation and ID? I thought Obama was suppose to be a genius. He's a dumbass just like Bush. The sad thing is that Obama doesn't know it. At least Bush knew that he wasn't a very bright guy.

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    Did he? What did he say that gave you that impression?

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    "so what does Obama think America should do on illegal immigrations"

    He laid out his plan in the campaign. Ain't gonna happen because the Repugs will block it.

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    There's more a puncher's chance the SC will uphold their law (if only in pars).

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    So is it true this AZ law is a near word-for-word extension of the federal one in the cons ution? I keep hearing that.
    If state law mirrors federal law too closely, that might be seen as an arrogant imposition on certain exclusive federal functions like say, international relations, to say nothing (for the moment) of immigration itself.
    Last edited by Winehole23; 06-21-2010 at 04:17 AM.

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    What would our racist, slavery-loving Founding Fathers do?

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    What would our racist, slavery-loving Founding Fathers do?
    The Civil War changed everything, Dude.

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    Yep.

    AZ could have avoided the waste of money and time by not passing a defective bill. A federal challenge was expectable; indeed it was predicted. The superior sovereign almost always wins these kind of challenges.

    AZ knew this, but pressed ahead with it anyway, knowing the message would be received loud and clear by the political base in an election year.

    ... what he said.

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    Federal gov't has to keep all the states in their place, under the Federal Gov'ts thumb, just like the Founding Fathers intended.
    Yeah doesn't Amendment X of the BOR say The powers not delegated to the United States by the Cons ution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND NOT to the people?

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    the protections built in to the Cons ution by the FF, against an overbearing Federal government, are being thrown by the wayside.

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