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I'd easily take Salmons for 5/40 over Johnson for 6/124. This aint a pickup game at the YMCA.
Unfortunately, Joe Dumars and what he's done the last few years is still challenging that claim, despite the Gooden and Salmons signings Hammond just made.
I'd easily take Salmons for 5/40 over Johnson for 6/124. This aint a pickup game at the YMCA.
If you look at his stats Salmons has been a significantly above average player only really in 2008-09 and the last half of 2009-10 with Milwaukee. You know he struggled most of the time to duplicate his 08-09 performance with Chicago in the early part of last year, right?
I mean it's a well reported fact. He scored only 12.7 ppg on very inefficient shooting from the field overall, and his struggles were pretty public. The Chicago media chronicled it fairly well, he was expected to score more given the departure of Ben Gordon. And he bricked it up from the field for the most part.
I'd probably agree with that. Neither is going to lead a team to a championship.
But I was talking about each player individually, not considering their salary. I take Joe Johnson every time over John Salmons.
Salmons is a pretty good player. I think he's getting a little undeserved hype because the last two seasons, he played really well at the end of those seasons for teams he was traded to.
I don't think he's a 20 point scorer. And I don't put him in the talent class of Joe Johnson. But hey, maybe he comes out during his contract and proves that he is.
now the bucks should get rid of redds contract, then they are going somewhere here
tbh all the awful contracts given out this week almost make Salmons deal look good but he really struggled in Chicago last year and has a short history of being a good offensive player. Basically he was a below average offensive player until he was 29 and its rare for a player to make a sudden leap in offensive talent his seventh year in the league. Earlier in his career he got by on his defense and his passing but his defense slacked off when he started looking for his own shot more the last two years, from what I've read about him. Also his assist ratio plummeted as he looked for his own shot more. He wasn't bad on defense from what I've read but I don't know if I'd trust him to keep playing like he did in 08-09 and with Milwaukee last year. If he can keep up his production, the deal isn't bad, but he's a very special case.
I can't think of many other players who were below average offensively for like 7 years and then suddenly at 29 became above average. I mean Salmons was a defender/ballhandler with a suspect shot and then suddenly became a solid scorer.
Salmons actually came on as a scorer when Sacramento put him in their starting lineup in 2007-08. He had a whine fest about coming off the bench and played way better as a starter than a bench player. They benched him because he was gunning pretty hard and he made some of the coaching staff or his teammates upset iirc. He pretty much moped when they made him come off the bench and his splits were way, way worse as a bench player than a starter that season. He was a scrub for the most part as an offensive player for his first 5 to 5.5 years though, that's correct.
He also stunk in Chicago for the most part last year for whatever reason.
That's actually pretty good value, especially if the Bucks have a team option on the 4th/5th years.
So Drew ing Gooden gets 5/32 out of the Bucks and Salmons can't even get 5/45? What is wrong with this world?
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