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    And yet you don't have a reason to reduce a player's salary?
    Good reasons: some of them don't live up to their contracts, and some get lazy afterwards. The owners don't have a crystal ball.

    I'm not so much about reducing contracts as in knocking out the fully guaranteed deals. Don't you think players should have to actually earn at least part of their contracts? I think a mix of guaranteed money, plus money they have to earn is fair to both players AND owners.

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    It benefited them in 1999. They won their first championship, * or not.

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    Shortening or ending Tim Duncan's career does not in any way benefit the Spurs. Period, end of sentence.

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    Good reasons: some of them don't live up to their contracts, and some get lazy afterwards. The owners don't have a crystal ball.

    I'm not so much about reducing contracts as in knocking out the fully guaranteed deals. Don't you think players should have to actually earn at least part of their contracts? I think a mix of guaranteed money, plus money they have to earn is fair to both players AND owners.
    Players have to attempt to live up to their contracts, I agree with that, which was why players slog their ass out during their contract year. However, it would be unfair to reduce their expected play because the owners and GMs make illogical decisions, just by looking at one "breakout" season. The current CBA, as everyone knows, favor the veteran players more than the young players in the league, so older players tend to get more because the owners and GMs can't hold themselves back, and veteran players may decline anytime soon.
    And also due to the fact that 1 player in the NBA will impact the game more than 1 player in any other team sport, be it soccer, football, hockey, baseball, players get paid significantly more.
    On the lazy players: Out of 400 + players in the league, only a certain few like Eddy Curry and Jerome James become lazy and fat. You can't penalize the entire league just because there is an idiot out of a 100 people. It isn't fair to the players who work night in and night out. Besides, those people will never see an NBA contract ever again after their contract expires.

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    Players have to attempt to live up to their contracts, I agree with that, which was why players slog their ass out during their contract year. However, it would be unfair to reduce their expected play because the owners and GMs make illogical decisions, just by looking at one "breakout" season. The current CBA, as everyone knows, favor the veteran players more than the young players in the league, so older players tend to get more because the owners and GMs can't hold themselves back, and veteran players may decline anytime soon.
    And also due to the fact that 1 player in the NBA will impact the game more than 1 player in any other team sport, be it soccer, football, hockey, baseball, players get paid significantly more.
    On the lazy players: Out of 400 + players in the league, only a certain few like Eddy Curry and Jerome James become lazy and fat. You can't penalize the entire league just because there is an idiot out of a 100 people. It isn't fair to the players who work night in and night out. Besides, those people will never see an NBA contract ever again after their contract expires.
    I guess we'll have to agree to disagree then. If there are only a few bad apples among the players, then only they should be affected, and the owners should be able to void their contracts, after paying off the guaranteed part.

    If you make the contracts maybe 60% guaranteed and 40% pay to play, then every year is a contract year for players, and the NBA puts a superior product on the floor each and every game.

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    Accept or not, basketball players are winning too much money and they're working too much.

    The regular season games takes too long, tones of meaningless games for just putting the teams into slots before play-offs. It causes the injuries and decreases regular season's importance. 82 games, to play only 1 more game at home in play-off comes!! 82 regular season games have only logical explanation to win money. The ticket prices are using to pay the salaries of the players and every team should play too much game to win enough money. Everything is going bad year by year, most of the players and fans don't care the regular season games and it becomes boring. Too many franchise are moving or changing hand because of high salaries and low attendance.

    I've some radical solution offers. The regular season should be shortened.(60 games at most) The salary threshold should be decrease as the same ratio. 40M instead of 55M). The player's salaries are also should be decrease with the same ratio in new contracts. Max contract shouldn't be more than 10M in it's first year. Max contract duration should be 5 years at most. If it's wanted 6 years, 6th year should be a team option.

    The play-off game numbers may be increased. It can be Best of 9 after 1st round, so the deep play-off teams can earn more money and we can watch more important games, instead of scrub regular season games.

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    Good reasons: some of them don't live up to their contracts, and some get lazy afterwards. The owners don't have a crystal ball.

    I'm not so much about reducing contracts as in knocking out the fully guaranteed deals. Don't you think players should have to actually earn at least part of their contracts? I think a mix of guaranteed money, plus money they have to earn is fair to both players AND owners.
    What about the players who do so well that they out-perform their contract?

    That does not seem very fair; why do the owners one-way contracts?

    And, why not let players have the same right?

    Not like I am feeling sorry for them, I just don't understand why it is beneficial this way.

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    What about the players who do so well that they out-perform their contract?

    That does not seem very fair; why do the owners one-way contracts?

    And, why not let players have the same right?

    Not like I am feeling sorry for them, I just don't understand why it is beneficial this way.
    Shorten the deals, then. That keeps pay in line with performance from both sides.

    I just don't think owners should have to shoulder ALL of the risk in a contract. Too many players just relax or worse, act out like Arenas after they get their deal. There's no incentive for them to play hard.

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