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    A trade exception isn't the way to go if the trade include Beasley.

    If RJ sign a contract that start at $7M, a S&T for Beasley will generate a small TE of $2M. With a $2M TE, you can get a player paid $2.1M or less. Spurs won't be able to get a quality SF with that.

    There are two ways to solve that:

    First, doing a three team trade:
    - Heat get RJ for Beasley
    - Spurs get a SF and Beasley for RJ
    - 3rd team get a TE for a SF
    Picks and cash should be added to this trade.
    With this trade, the SF Spurs can get should be paid less than $3.8M.

    Second adding players. Spurs have a lot of players with non-guaranteed contracts. Adding them to a trade could help Spurs to take additional salary. It has no drawbacks for the other teams that can waive them. Spurs could also S&T a second player like Mason or Bonner.

    When you combine these two "tricks" Spurs can easily take a SF with a $6M salary even if they also had to take Beasley.

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    So we'd still be in need of a legitimate starting small forward and would have a logjam at power forward.
    He would take the majority of Dice's minutes and limiting Duncan's minutes should be a priority, so I don't really see a logjam. Getting an SF would depend on the size of the exception.

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    Nevermind. I like Bruno's idea better.

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    I like that scenario too, but the big question is what team out there is looking to give away a legitimate starting SF?

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    A trade exception isn't the way to go if the trade include Beasley.

    If RJ sign a contract that start at $7M, a S&T for Beasley will generate a small TE of $2M. With a $2M TE, you can get a player paid $2.1M or less. Spurs won't be able to get a quality SF with that.

    There are two ways to solve that:

    First, doing a three team trade:
    - Heat get RJ for Beasley
    - Spurs get a SF and Beasley for RJ
    - 3rd team get a TE for a SF
    Picks and cash should be added to this trade.
    With this trade, the SF Spurs can get should be paid less than $3.8M.

    Second adding players. Spurs have a lot of players with non-guaranteed contracts. Adding them to a trade could help Spurs to take additional salary. It has no drawbacks for the other teams that can waive them. Spurs could also S&T a second player like Mason or Bonner.

    When you combine these two "tricks" Spurs can easily take a SF with a $6M salary even if they also had to take Beasley.
    And that $6M range would be more than ideal to find a suitable replacement.

    I doubt Spurs value Beasley's talent as much as a lot of people here would and I don't think they'd bite on Beasley and the $2M TE if offered a straight TE or one with NJ that could still net them $4-5M should they take back Humphries, but that's my opinion.

    You do like to know that there are some "tricks" like you say, though. It's a much more settling proposition than losing RJ for nothing or signing him long-term.

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    Beasley to the Spurs doesn't really make sense if you bring over Splitter, imo. In all likelyhood any 3rd team involved in a SA/Miami deal would get Beasley.

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    I like that scenario too, but the big question is what team out there is looking to give away a legitimate starting SF?
    A team that wouldn't want to re-sign that player and wouldn't mind getting a TE. See Spurs, San Antonio.

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    Umm, Michael Beasley would NEVER pass the Spurs filter. He has major MAJOR character and dependency issues. There's a better chance of the Spurs hiring Bernie Madoff to be the team's VP of Finance and Accounting than trading for Michael Beasley.

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    I could see a deal for Beasley being sought if RJ goes to Miami IF they are unable to bring Splitter over. Assuming you could get Beasley and use the MLE on a good small forward ( o Mike Miller) do you then try to trade his rights?

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    FWIW, the OP linked to a realgm summary of a Miami Herald story.

    The realgm summary reads:

    Assuming they aren't able to add LeBron James, the Miami Herald reports that the Heat are interested in Mike Miller, Josh Howard, Richard Jefferson and Kyle Korver.

    Miami has also spoken to the agents for Rasual Butler and Matt Barnes, who would come cheaper than the other options.

    The actual article in the Miami Herald reads:

    Among small forwards, the Heat loves Mike Miller -- with Josh Howard, Richard Jefferson and Kyle Korver also in the mix -- and spoke to agents for Rasual Butler and Matt Barnes, who are cheaper. Miller could get too pricey if Miami gets Wade, Bosh and top center target Brendan Haywood.


    Doesn't seem like Miami is interested in paying a FA SF more than an MLE-sized starting salary.

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    I like that scenario too, but the big question is what team out there is looking to give away a legitimate starting SF?
    It could be Mike Miller in a S&T. I guess a couple of second round picks and/or some cash should be enough to convince Wizards to S&T him if they don't get players back.

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    It could be Mike Miller in a S&T. I guess a couple of second round picks and/or some cash should be enough to convince Wizards to S&T him if they don't get players back.
    Where do I sign?

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    It could be Mike Miller in a S&T. I guess a couple of second round picks and/or some cash should be enough to convince Wizards to S&T him if they don't get players back.
    Wait, I thought Miller was going to the Lakers?

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    Wait, I thought Miller was going to the Lakers?
    Lakers signed Steve Blake, which made any offer from them to Miller null and void, since they didn't have the money to get it done.

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    It could be Mike Miller in a S&T. I guess a couple of second round picks and/or some cash should be enough to convince Wizards to S&T him if they don't get players back.
    Miller + Beasley for RJ would sweet, but I'd think that Miller is going to be looking for a contract as big as RJ's. That would make it hard to get Beasley to SA as part of the package. Now if Beasley went to Washington instead of SA, that seems like that works nicely for all parties involved. RJ to Miami, Miller to SA, Beasley plus a small TE to Washington still sounds good to me.

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    Lakers signed Steve Blake, which made any offer from them to Miller null and void, since they didn't have the money to get it done.
    Ahh, thanks lurker23.

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    Beasley to the Spurs doesn't really make sense if you bring over Splitter, imo. In all likelyhood any 3rd team involved in a SA/Miami deal would get Beasley.
    Yep, Beasley doesn't really make sense for Spurs but the problem is that nobody wants him. Spurs interest in this trade wouldn't be Beasley but to get a SF.

    I don't think RJ would be Miami first choice but it could be if they are able to unload Beasley in a a S&T for him. If I'm Spurs GM, I rather do thsi trade than signing RJ to a long term contract or getting nothing from him

    Beasley would be a player with a $5M expiring contract. He could be used at the trade deadline and wouldn't cost too much since I'm sure Heat would be ready to send $3M in cash to cover a part of his salary.

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    Can't Beasly play the 3? If he can then playing alongside Splitter would be possible yes?

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    Can't Beasly play the 3? If he can then playing alongside Splitter would be possible yes?
    Offensively the Spurs could find a way to make it work. Defensively, not so much.

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    He likes to think he can.

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    He likes to think he can.
    He's got the handle, shot and quickness to play on the wing. Overall, I think Beasley has the talent to play either position. Whether he has the at ude or work ethic is another question.

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    Beasley would be good on a team with a lot of defensive players and few offensive players, where he can take up a high-usage and not have to worry about defense..it wouldn't work with the Spurs..

    I think Beasley has the talent to play the 3, but he's an extremely stupid player..

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    Dang, thanks for the insight guys.

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    Questionable work ethic before the NBA and 2 years later in the NBA, still questionable work ethic. Not good!!

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    I dunno, I haven't seen him play any defense so far during his time in the league. He can get hot and score sometimes but by and far he's not efficient enough and he takes way too many shots. Conclusion: he's a scrub...for now, he could correct some of his ways though.
    There is a reason why a 2nd pick in the draft two years ago has fallen so far out of favor in Miami that even talking about a trade for RJ is a possibility.

    If they don't see his upside after having him on the team for two years, why should we take him.

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