Past Trade Target: Rudy Fernandez

[cd98]

I've heard negative things about Rudy and his first NBA season, while good, was not spectacular. His career has been lackluster since. I think he's a bit overrated.

More importantly, Portland overrates its roster. Sure, it has young talent with potential. But most of their potential has not worked out. For example, they wanted big time players for Outlaw for his first few years in the league. Teams balked at the high asking price. Time has shown that he has not been near what Portland wanted for him, even if he was able to dupe NJ into a big contract.

[mountainballer]

I've heard negative things about Rudy and his first NBA season, while good, was not spectacular. His career has been lackluster since. I think he's a bit overrated.

whatever your words exactly mean. yeah his rookie season....he only set a new NBA rookie record for number of three-point field goals made (159). and his lackluster career has seen as much as 2 NBA seasons. jesus.
however, rumors have Celtics as the front runners to land him and as we know, this is a pretty clueless organisation. for sure they overrate him.
what about this thesis: at this point Fernandez is one of the most underrated players in the NBA? if it would in fact be possible to get him for a future 1st rounder (a late 1st rounder), he will be a steal. if Celtics get him that way, it will pay huge dividends for them.

[cd98]

whatever your words exactly mean. yeah his rookie season....he only set a new NBA rookie record for number of three-point field goals made (159). and his lackluster career has seen as much as 2 NBA seasons. jesus.
however, rumors have Celtics as the front runners to land him and as we know, this is a pretty clueless organisation. for sure they overrate him.
what about this thesis: at this point Fernandez is one of the most underrated players in the NBA? if it would in fact be possible to get him for a future 1st rounder (a late 1st rounder), he will be a steal. if Celtics get him that way, it will pay huge dividends for them.

How'd he do last year?

[Chieflion]

How'd he do last year?

Had an injury-plagued season. Mostly his back. Didn't perform that well with below average PER of 14.4. His defense is below average, but he was handcuffed with his creativity on offense tied behind his back because he was mainly the spot-up shooter.

Heard he wanted an increased role on another team, which means more playing time. He didn't state whether he wants to start or not.

[cd98]

Had an injury-plagued season. Mostly his back. Didn't perform that well with below average PER of 14.4. His defense is below average, but he was handcuffed with his creativity on offense tied behind his back because he was mainly the spot-up shooter.

Heard he wanted an increased role on another team, which means more playing time. He didn't state whether he wants to start or not.

Players with bad backs at 25 tend to never fully recover. Problem with him is you don't know if you're trading for the rookie version or the second year version.

His second year version is not worth a number one pick.

I'd pass on a guy this questionable unless I really had to give up little to nothing. He's not worth Hill, Blair, or Anderson.

[mountainballer]

Fernandez injured his back in March 2009, when he was fouled pretty hard by Ariza. it's not that he has a bad back in the mold of Tyson Chandler.
he likely didn't get the right treatment after the injury and started to play again way to early. he played thru a lot of pain when last season started and still did pretty well during November. (shooting 40% 3s). then the doctors discovered that some bone material or whatever put pressure on a nerve. he underwent a microdiscectomy, first they thought he will be out for 3 months, but he came back after 5 weeks. likely to early again, maybe Portland forced it a bit because Roy was out in January either and Blazers didn't want to lose track on the PO.

however, there was a reason that explains his struggle last season and that surgery isn't something that couldn't be totally healed with patience and the right treatment.

btw. character and the "Diva" reproach....
people constantly ignore that no other Euro player has ever left that much money on the table, when Fernandez agreed to come over on a rookie deal. no, he didn't play the 3 years in Spain for the best contract Barcelona has ever offered to a player and then join the Blazers for much more money than a rookie contract. he came immediately. and we won't ever know what the Blazers promised, but let's assume they promised a pretty prominent role on the team.
so yes, he does have some rights to be disappointed, especially when he feels the coach and team didn't treat him right during the injury. and don't forget, they also traded away his best friend Sergio Rodriguez, one of the major reasons why he came to Portland on such a bad contract. (Sergio was also the player, who perfectly introduced most of Rudy's 3s during his rookie season. something neither Roy nor Miller did the following season)

ok, sorry. to many words on this topic. just my reaction to all the clueless assessments about him.
mark my words: one team (Celtics ?) will be very happy with him and in some months we will have several threads how the Spurs could miss out on the opportunity to get Rudy. likely from the same people who now downplay his abilities.

[elemento]

son do you have a Rudy's fanclub or something?

[cd98]

Fernandez injured his back in March 2009, when he was fouled pretty hard by Ariza. it's not that he has a bad back in the mold of Tyson Chandler.
he likely didn't get the right treatment after the injury and started to play again way to early. he played thru a lot of pain when last season started and still did pretty well during November. (shooting 40% 3s). then the doctors discovered that some bone material or whatever put pressure on a nerve. he underwent a microdiscectomy, first they thought he will be out for 3 months, but he came back after 5 weeks. likely to early again, maybe Portland forced it a bit because Roy was out in January either and Blazers didn't want to lose track on the PO.

however, there was a reason that explains his struggle last season and that surgery isn't something that couldn't be totally healed with patience and the right treatment.

btw. character and the "Diva" reproach....
people constantly ignore that no other Euro player has ever left that much money on the table, when Fernandez agreed to come over on a rookie deal. no, he didn't play the 3 years in Spain for the best contract Barcelona has ever offered to a player and then join the Blazers for much more money than a rookie contract. he came immediately. and we won't ever know what the Blazers promised, but let's assume they promised a pretty prominent role on the team.
so yes, he does have some rights to be disappointed, especially when he feels the coach and team didn't treat him right during the injury. and don't forget, they also traded away his best friend Sergio Rodriguez, one of the major reasons why he came to Portland on such a bad contract. (Sergio was also the player, who perfectly introduced most of Rudy's 3s during his rookie season. something neither Roy nor Miller did the following season)

ok, sorry. to many words on this topic. just my reaction to all the clueless assessments about him.
mark my words: one team (Celtics ?) will be very happy with him and in some months we will have several threads how the Spurs could miss out on the opportunity to get Rudy. likely from the same people who now downplay his abilities.

I don't think they are clueless assertions. I have league pass and I've seen him play plenty.

Your injury argument sounds like excuses. If Portland thought they had gold, they wouldn't trade him. And they wouldn't sit him on the bench.

As for trade rumors, Boston is linked to every trade rumor. And don't overrate their GM. Sure Ainge used his relationship to steal Garnett, but most of the free agents and trades they have done have been duds. Daniels anyone? Rasheed Wallace? Michael Finely?

I'm not saying that he (Fernandez) has no value, but no one is going to give up top talent for a question mark. And I wouldn't trade Blair, Hill, or Anderson for him. Sure, I'd part with our D-leaguers, but Portland wouldn't want them.

[Anonymous Cowherd]

ESPN seem to think he might be going to the Knicks

[toki9]

If he's fully healed and mentally ready to go, then i'd think he'd be a good pickup...nice shot and nice court sense and vision...

[admiralsnackbar]

If he's fully healed and mentally ready to go, then i'd think he'd be a good pickup...nice shot and nice court sense and vision...

No doubt, but the question is who do you give up in exchange? Blair? Hill? I'd probably sacrifice Anderson since I know -all about him, frankly... but I doubt that he and picks would be enough.

[mountainballer]

I'm not saying that he (Fernandez) has no value, but no one is going to give up top talent for a question mark. And I wouldn't trade Blair, Hill, or Anderson for him. Sure, I'd part with our D-leaguers, but Portland wouldn't want them.

who is talking about Hill and Blair?? of course you don't offer them for Fernandez. the question was Anderson or the 2011 1st round pick. all my points try to justify why I think such a trade would be a good move.

and I don't start a discussion about the quality of a FO, that made two NBA finals in 3 years and was 1 half shy of a 2nd le in that span. that's beyond ridiculous.

[toki9]

No doubt, but the question is who do you give up in exchange? Blair? Hill? I'd probably sacrifice Anderson since I know -all about him, frankly... but I doubt that he and picks would be enough.

Yeah, i know...the Spurs either don't have the pieces to get it done, or don't want to give up the pieces to get it done...but maybe we could get Presti to do us a solid and convince Cho to pull a Wallace? (Yeah, pipe dream).

[Bruno]

If Spurs do a trade for Rudy, James Anderson must be include. It would make no sense to have both on the roster. I don't know if Blazers would be interested in him, maybe a 3 team trade should be done. Anderson for Rudy works salary wise. Draft picks can't be traded for 30 days, Spurs and Blazers can have a verbal agreement now on the deal and do it in August.

There are serious reasons for Spurs to do or not do this trade. Rudy is very talented but he has some injuries and at ude issues. Personally, I wouldn't do it but if the rights to Claver were added, I would likely do it.

[DesignatedT]

Fernandez is a deadly player. The guy can straight up play basketball and would give us another manu type play maker. If they can somehow pull this deal off it would be fantastic even if it still doesn't solve our size issue on the wing. A Parker-Hill-Manu-Rudy type backcourt would just be insane with the ball. IMO I believe Portland will trade Rudy and I don't think it will take much to get him (1st rounder) but the likes of them trading him to a conference compe or are slim when I'm sure many teams around the league will be willing to offer that but then again you can't trade picks now so I don't think anything happens soon.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

I'd love to see Rudy as a Spur, and if we could nab him for a future first that would be a no-brainer.

[024]

don't really want the spurs acquiring another shooter with questionable defense. a swap of anderson and rudy would make sense but the blazers will ask for more. rudy isn't worth that much to the spurs. also, rudy would be the third string SG, a limited role he apparently despises.

[galvatron3000]

I wouldn't trade Anderson for Rudy. Spurs don't need anymore guard we did this last season. We should run with the guys we have unless we can get a legitimate Sf otherwise forget it. Now I'd consider trading Hill but we need a backup Pg in return not another Sg.

[SpurSpurSpurs]

I hope the FO can pull this trade off. I want to see Rudy play Spurs ball.

Pop to Rudy: run as fast as you can on fast breaks and just stay on the corner 3 during half court plays and you'll be fine

[admiralsnackbar]

Yeah, i know...the Spurs either don't have the pieces to get it done, or don't want to give up the pieces to get it done...but maybe we could get Presti to do us a solid and convince Cho to pull a Wallace? (Yeah, pipe dream).

Presti works for OKC. You're thinking Pritchard, who is no longer with the Blazers.

[DesignatedT]

I wouldn't trade Anderson for Rudy. Spurs don't need anymore guard we did this last season. We should run with the guys we have unless we can get a legitimate Sf otherwise forget it. Now I'd consider trading Hill but we need a backup Pg in return not another Sg.

you wont trade anderson but you would trade hill?

[ducks]

I think phil would trade tp for him

[ducks]

sounds like he is afraid of real compe ion
loser

[elemento]

the guy is a pussy and a headcase

PASS

[mountainballer]

Who knows what will happen with this guy. Someone just told mr they read over twitter that he wants to go back to Europe and stop playing in the NBA

likely based on this article, where Rudy's agent is quoted:

http://blogs.hoopshype.com/blogs/sierra/2010/08/18/rudy-portland-on-collision-course/
“Portland and I have had numerous discussions, almost daily, on the situation,” Andy Miller told HoopsHype.com. “I think this situation is headed for a collision course because Rudy’s perspective on where he wants to be and what he wants to do and how he wants to accomplish it is on the opposite of the spectrum from where Portland sees the situation.
I don’t think (the relationship) is reparable.”

There's nothing wrong with wanting to go back home. There are a lot of players European born that have NBA skill but don't want to play in the NBA. America is a completely different life style.

agree.
he has left a boatload of money on the table to come to the NBA and play on a rookie contract for 4 years. book it, he was promised a certain role in Portland and he also came over to play alongside his best friend.
Rodriguez is traded away and his role in Portland is marginalised.
yes, he does have a right to be disappointed.
btw. it doesn't need that disappointment, to start dream about playing and living in Barcelona.