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Wade to win now and Durant for the long term... I think it is an obvious choice.
Right now? Wade, and it's not even close.
Wade to win now and Durant for the long term... I think it is an obvious choice.
crofl @ the clueless "right now Wade, for later KD" crowd
Durant, but for this year...WADE. U can teach scoring, but u can't teach swag!
Durant, I'd take him over Wade because Durant is younger and I like those younger players more. I mean Wade isn't that old, but isn't young either.
of course i'll take Durant because I'm a lifelong Thunder fan, no matter whom the other guy is. Honestly if I were a team's manager i would take whoever else over the little sissy whining that D-Whistle is.
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Durant. Now and later. And it’s not even close.
I would take Durant, thread should have been Durant or Lebron.
Durant is scorer similar to Melo . Wade is a playmaker who makes his teammates better and a great defensive guard . I pick Wade .
Tough call. Durant has a huge upside but some people are underrating Wade here. Depends on the rest of the team.
Kevin Durant. I think he's a smart player and that's not to suggest that Wade isn't, but Durant seems to almost instinctually know where to be and when to turn it on. Wade has always gone hard. He was the quickest because he was running harder than anyone else. He's blessed with fantastic physical skill, and the combination of the two is exciting and rewarding to watch, however, I haven't seen him look effortless on the basketball floor in a long time. Like it or not, since that knee injury he has lost some of his explosion to the rim. He has to pull-up for the jumper now, and too often, especially late in games, that shot can be blocked. His lift, his explosion to the rim, he's too young for it to have taken the backseat already.
Durant is talented, healthy, young, and smart on the basketball floor. He has height that Wade doesn't. He has more room to grow than does Wade.
Why?
The only reason I would take Wade over Durant is if I need a point guard or if I have all the scoring but I need teamwork.
This Heat bandwagoning got. The answer is Durant.
KD. Better scorer, better rebounder, there isn't much of a gap in defense given how much KD improved in that area, and KD is less injury prone. Wade is a better player but that's got a lot to do with Westbrook making it so they don't need much playmaking from KD.
Durant >> Dwhistle already
Wow, Durant is extremely overrated..I understand there are a lot of Texas fans here, so Durant gets overrated either way, but wow..he's a top 5-7 player, but people are treating him like he's in the top 3..
Durant's playmaking is still horrible at this point..he had a usage % of 32%, yet he averaged less than 3 APG..the only other wing players that have done this in the past are George Gervin, Dominique Wilkins and Carmelo Anthony..that's not a bad thing, but it's far from something you see from a championship-caliber wing player..we have yet to see a wing player lead a team to a le without any playmaking/passing skills.. , none of these guys have even led a team to the Finals..you can understand why I'm skeptical, since it literally has never happened before, we have yet to see a player with his style of play do this..
Wade is slightly better at drawing fouls, he's levels better as a passer, he's the better help defender, he's levels better as a clutch player, and he's a much better ballhandler..
Durant is the better overall rebounder(although they're about the same if you're comparing them by rebounding to their position) and the better outside shooter..
They both had pretty much the same adjusted +/- during the regular season this year, so their value during the season was similar..it was a different story during the playoffs, where Wade killed him in this category..
Durant is one of the worst star clutch players in the NBA so far, it's probably the 2nd biggest flaw of his game next to his passing..Wade had an off-year in clutch situations, yet he still beat Durant by a wide margin..his shooting %s in clutch time are horrible..
I would also like people to hold back on the Durant talk until he does something in the playoffs..he's been in 1 series during his career, and he was horrible..to his credit, obviously Artest is a very good defender, and it also hurts that Scott Brooks is a bad coach that didn't utilize Durant's skills off the screen(which is also Artest's main weakness), but he still struggled overall..
Durant shot 35% and 29% from 3s, with almost 4 turnovers a game during the playoffs..historically bad numbers for a star player..this is comparing him to Wade, a proven playoff performer with a Finals MVP, and he's still in his prime..
Last edited by HarlemHeat37; 07-14-2010 at 01:47 PM.
I've been saying this about Durant for a while now, I'm a Durant "hater" according to some people..
I'm not a Heat fan, I'm a Lebron fan, so if I really cared, I would probably on Wade to elevate Lebron, similar to what Al-Quobe does..
Durant.
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What you talking about Durant not being clutch?
Hes a clutch.
He shot 35% in clutch time this season..the stats show that, but I'm not just looking at that stat and forming an opinion..if you look back on the game threads for last season, I pointed it out about him a lot too..
I admit I'm not a fan of Durant, but I recognize his talent, and that's something I hope he develops over time..some of it isn't his fault though, his coach puts him in bad situations a lot of the time..Brooks' coaching in the playoffs was horrible, I hope it was just inexperience, we'll see how he does in next year's playoffs..
He was 1st team all NBA so at worst he's top 5.
Damn good point, those 3 guys suck.
We have also yet to see a wing player lead a team to a le alongside a playmaking PG who averages 8 assists per game. You neglect the fact KD has way less duties as a playmaker than Kobe or Wade because of the PG he plays next to.
No team in the last 20 years has won a le with a PG who averages 8+ assists per game. As far as OKC winning a le goes, their reliance on their PG creating offense is a way bigger concern than Durant.
Yet Durant led the NBA is free throws this year
Which has a lot to do with Durant having an almost non-existent role as a passer on his team, and the fact he has no one to kick it out to for assists. No one in OKC's starting lineup other than Durant shot above 33% from range, and they also have no big who can finish at the rim consistently. Assists are largely based off who's playing around you.
Again, Durant isn't the primary ball handler on his team so that's hard to say, Idk how Wade is way more clutch than Durant, and while Wade might be better at help defense Durant isn't too far behind (he averaged over a block and steal per game last year).
Which has a lot to do with his supporting cast. When Wade won a le in 2006 he Shaq drawing attention down low and he also had one of the most clutch distance shooters in the NBA (Posey), Durant doesn't have any presence down low to draw attention
As you said, Brooks ed up a lot in that series, and you're also ignoring how difficult LA was making it for him. Thabo Sefolosha enabled Fisher/Kobe to roam around and play help D while not having to worry about guarding him. Jeff Green missed a bunch of open shots so there was no way to draw Gasol or Bynum out of the paint. Durant had little to no space to work with against LA.
Lebron, Wade, Kobe and Howard are better than him without a doubt IMO..you could argue for him at 5(which is why I said 5-7), but you could also argue for Chris Paul, Dirk and Deron Williams IMO..
None of those guys have ever approached the elite level, none of them have ever been on elite teams during their primes..a lot of people were comparing Durant to Lebron and Kobe this season, he shouldn't be compared to guys like Nique/Gervin/Anthony..Damn good point, those 3 guys suck.
He has a usage % of 32, which is ridiculously high, so he has the ball plenty, and he has one of the worst assist to turnover ratios for a high usage wing player in NBA history..among small forwards that averaged 20 MPG or more, Durant only finished ahead of Travis Outlaw, Al Thornton, Mikael Pietrus and Donte Greene in this category, all guys that are both ballhogs and terrible passers(not calling Durant a ballhog)..We have also yet to see a wing player lead a team to a le alongside a playmaking PG who averages 8 assists per game. You neglect the fact KD has way less duties as a playmaker than Kobe or Wade because of the PG he plays next to.
I concede that Durant has less playmaking opportunities than Kobe and Wade, but he's still a horrible passer, as shown by his putrid assist totals and high passing turnover totals..
I'm not going to look into this, because it's irrelevant to my point..I'm not a fan of Westbrook either..it doesn't really have much to do with Durant's ability as a passer though..both guys have the ball a pretty high amount, it doesn't excuse Durant's passing..No team in the last 20 years has won a le with a PG who averages 8+ assists per game. As far as OKC winning a le goes, their reliance on their PG creating offense is a way bigger concern than Durant.
They drew virtually the same amount of FTA/g per 36, I consider Wade better because he draws a much higher amount in comparison to his FGAs..Yet Durant led the NBA is free throws this year
It doesn't explain his high number or turnovers..also, having mediocre teammates(which Durant doesn't) hasn't stopped other elite wing players from getting their assist totals..Which has a lot to do with Durant having an almost non-existent role as a passer on his team, and the fact he has no one to kick it out to for assists. No one in OKC's starting lineup other than Durant shot above 33% from range, and they also have no big who can finish at the rim consistently. Assists are largely based off who's playing around you.
Durant doesn't have a championship supporting cast, no argument there..it still doesn't change the fact that he's been in 1 playoff series where he was really bad..I'm not saying he won't be a good playoff performer, I think he will be, I'm just saying that people should hold back on their extreme praise when it concerns players that have never won or even performed well in a playoff series..Which has a lot to do with his supporting cast. When Wade won a le in 2006 he Shaq drawing attention down low and he also had one of the most clutch distance shooters in the NBA (Posey), Durant doesn't have any presence down low to draw attention
lmao. harlem heat on kevin durant threads like flies on .
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