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    Any chance the Spurs could spend years keeping him, paying salary and then trading him in 3 years for Spanoulis and/or a quart of hummus?
    Or maybe just releasing him?

    He's won 4 les you know.

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    doesn't look promising at all.

    by the time richards gets enough experience to join ths spurs, tim and manu will be out of contract.

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    doesn't look promising at all.

    by the time richards gets enough experience to join ths spurs, tim and manu will be out of contract.
    It has nothing to do with being promising or not. This player wasn't really expected to contribute before the end of Timmy era anyway, and it's going to be the same for pretty much all the Spurs draft picks from now on. There's a life after Tim and Manu

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    Richards playing in Europe is surprising considering that Richards was adamant about not staying in Europe. His pre-draft comments indicated that he basically didn't want to get drafted by a team that had draft-and-stash in mind.

    Obviously he's a long-term prospect who probably has a 1% chance of panning out but I think D-League would have been best for him. In fact, the D-League would probably be best for the Spurs as well. What exactly have the Toros done for the Spurs since their inception? They haven't produced one player that could help. Using the Toros to develop Richards for two years would have given value to the affiliation.

    Hopefully the Spurs can help Richards find a good team that will give him minutes in Europe ... but that's easier said that done.

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    Some time in Europe and a stint in Austin will be enough for all the Spurs fans who think he should be on the roster right now to cool on him. I'm sure one of the Spurs' rivals will be in need of a young center in a couple of years.

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    Wilkerson perhaps?
    Nah, I wouldn't go with Wilkerson. His lack of size makes hurts him as a prospect. I'd like Gist better, although if he were to remain in Europe, he should be able to continue to progress.

    My preference would be a raw shotblocker or a three-point shooting big that could become Bonner insurance.

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    They might go without a sixth big, at least to start the season. They might want to carry fourteen players and even if they have a glut on the wings, they may see Gee as too good a prospect to waive just to have a sixth big, who barring injury has no chance to play or figure into the team's future.

    If they do go with a sixth big though, Jones (I expect the Raptors to waive him, they have no need for him) and Gist would probably be in the mix.

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    If they do go with a sixth big though, Jones (I expect the Raptors to waive him, they have no need for him) and Gist would probably be in the mix.
    Dwayne Jones? If so, I highly doubt it. The sixth big should be D-League eligible, which Jones is not. And since the Spurs ignored Jones when they had less depth at PF and C while he was in Austin, I don't see why they'd want him now.

    If Jones doesn't get with an NBA team, I could see the Toros signing him, though.

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    So there is absolutely no chance to sign another 7-footer that is not named Shaq on the team? Well that's just terrific.

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    Seems like he's officially on the Mahinmi path...year or two in Europe followed by year or two in D-League.

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    What exactly have the Toros done for the Spurs since their inception? They haven't produced one player that could help.
    Finally, some one speaks the truth on this subject.

    The only thing the Toros have done is give national pundits something to talk about when they're forced to say something about the Spurs. As in, "how bout those Spurs, they can always find diamonds in the rough, look at the way they pioneered NBA-team affiliation with a D League club, yada yada . . ."

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    big that could become Bonner insurance.
    Bonner insurance.
    Anyones grandma available to travel 82 games a year and one, at most two playoff series?
    Must be able to stand outside arc and throw ball towards basket.
    No further qualifications neccessary.

    * hoagie eating on own time permissable.

    Oh almost forgot. Grandma must be prepared to become millionaire +.

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    name me one d-league player that has earned a roster spot for the spurs?

    this year may be the first with temple and hairston, however i think a player gets better experience playing in europe or elsewhere.

    mahinmi for example never deceloped well enough for the spurs to want to sign him.

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    Dwayne Jones? If so, I highly doubt it. The sixth big should be D-League eligible, which Jones is not. And since the Spurs ignored Jones when they had less depth at PF and C while he was in Austin, I don't see why they'd want him now.

    If Jones doesn't get with an NBA team, I could see the Toros signing him, though.
    Yeah, Dwayne Jones. You're right though, it wouldn't make sense to have a non-eligible D-League sixth big.

    If he can't stick in the NBA though, the Toros could sign him and the Spurs could go with five bigs and if a need arises for a sixth, sign him.

    I'm not saying they will, but they may do something like that in order to keep the roster at 14 and keep Gee (assuming Jones or someone of that ilk is also signed).

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    I think that the shoulder surgery has been a big factor to let him overseas at least this year.

    Richards had the same injury Batum had last year. Batum came back 3 months after the surgery but it was obviously too soon since he re-injured his shoulder in the playoffs. I don't know how long Richards will be after his surgery but it could 4 to 6 months. It means that he will be back between December and February.

    I rather let Richards one year overseas than signing him for half a year with Spurs and lost one year of D-League eligibility. With how raw and young Richards is, 2 full years of D-League shouldn't be too much to work with him.

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    mahinmi for example never deceloped well enough for the spurs to want to sign him.
    He developed well enough for the Mavs to sign him.. We don't hold onto our players for enough time at all.

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    Dwayne Jones would be a waste of salary. He's just not that good and he's not that strong with the ball. Gist has improved his help D, shot-blocking and game awareness. I think he could be an injury protection player for the Spurs in Austin, if he doesn't put the money (Europe) as a higher priority.

    A 6th Big is normally not one of the 12 rotation guys for the Spurs.

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    I don't see how people are saying that Ryan's on the Mahinmi path. He's a different type of player, he can shoot the outside shot and that's going to make him more valuable than Ian. I can just about guarantee that in 3 years he will have more talent and be more NBA ready than Mahinmi. Even if he's not, he'll only be 22 by then.

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    He developed well enough for the Mavs to sign him.. We don't hold onto our players for enough time at all.
    Either that or the mavs are just making the same mistake the Spurs did in thinking that they could turn Ian into an NBA player. Time will tell.

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    I don't see how people are saying that Ryan's on the Mahinmi path. He's a different type of player, he can shoot the outside shot and that's going to make him more valuable than Ian. I can just about guarantee that in 3 years he will have more talent and be more NBA ready than Mahinmi. Even if he's not, he'll only be 22 by then.
    I hope you're right. But the odds favor that 5 years from now we'll be having the same debates we are right now, only with the name "Richards" replacing "Mahinmi", and some other name replacing "Richards".

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    Dwayne Jones would be a waste of salary. He's just not that good and he's not that strong with the ball. Gist has improved his help D, shot-blocking and game awareness. I think he could be an injury protection player for the Spurs in Austin, if he doesn't put the money (Europe) as a higher priority.

    A 6th Big is normally not one of the 12 rotation guys for the Spurs.
    I agree. To clarify, I don't want Jones, I was just throwing a name out there that I could see being under consideration.

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    He developed well enough for the Mavs to sign him.. We don't hold onto our players for enough time at all.
    I'm not a Mahinmi hater. I felt the Spurs could have invested more time on him to develop his game. You know, even if he wasn't going to become a very good center, we could have developed him into a channing frye type center that made his living beyond the arc.

    Remember, prior to this season, Frye rarely took a shot from the 3 point line. Prior to 2009-2010 season this is what he took:

    2005 -3-9 -
    2006 - 3-18 -
    2007 - 3-10
    2008 - 11-33

    Based on these percentages (below 30%), you would think he should never attempt the 3 point shot.

    in 2009-2010 he did:

    172-392

    That's 10 times more attempts and he practically destroyed the Spurs.

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    TBH, I kinda like the idea of bringing Gist in. He's been a good soldier, he's got a unique skill-set athletically and he may just be able to give the Spurs something on an off night or tough matchup; his length, athleticism and motor just might be able to give a team a spark or answer one night when he's surrounded by great talent.

    I'm not saying he is or isn't the best option but for the role he'd be playing and given all that's gone before, I wouldn't hate to see him make the roster.

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    Sigh.... appears Richards is a really long term project.

    Wished the Spurs lucked out and drafted Rolle or even Caracter.

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    I don't see how people are saying that Ryan's on the Mahinmi path. He's a different type of player, he can shoot the outside shot and that's going to make him more valuable than Ian. I can just about guarantee that in 3 years he will have more talent and be more NBA ready than Mahinmi. Even if he's not, he'll only be 22 by then.
    I agree. The problem with Ian was not that the Spurs drafted him, but that they did it in the first round. That set in motion a whole chain of problems that became a tail wagging the dog. It is harder to "draft and stash" first rounders, for example, due to the NBA's salary rules.

    When it became apparent that the Spurs had used a first round pick on a questionable project, they began to dig in their heels on Ian and refused to cut their loses. They had their reputation as the most highly esteemed evaluator of overseas talent to protect.

    None of this, of course, was Ian's fault.

    It would have been better for Ian and the Spurs if he had been a second round pick (ala Richards) as he should have been.

    The Richards selection may have a much happier ending for the Spurs.

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