Shaq also cursed and called out Buss in our locker room right after we won the 3 peat.
Buss will not be bullied as Shaq found out then, and Ariza and Lamar found out last year.
no one denies you were around obstructed but I was around for all 4 Spurs les i doubt i know more than hard-core Spur fans that follow the team day in and day out.
I know you deal with a lot of Kobbe fabois but I'm a Laker fan first and foremost.
I blame BOTH of them (Kobe and Shaq and to lesser extent buss) for breaking up our mini dynasty ...
But Shaq could have prevented it all by learning from Kareem or David Robinson ...
Also overall i expected more from shaq. I wanted him to be more mature and more focused. I dont criticize Shaq here because i love kobe ...I guess Kobe is what he is arrogant, but he never has failed to maximize his talent.
Shaq to me has left a lot of his game and rings unrealized because he lacks that fire that duncan, kobe jordan etc have ...
LOL smiley ... cute
i asked you to educate me ...that is your response? You should post more inthe NBA forum they would love youthere ...
This.
And this.
If the Bulls had drafted Dennis Hopson instead of Scottie Pippen, Jordan would have gone somewhere else.
This may be a different time, but that is no excuse. If you want to be the best, then you should beat the best. Magic and Zeke were also good friends off the court but on they court they were all business.
This new Miami triumvirate will be good for the league short term for casual fans, but when they start sweeping through the playoffs it won't be. The excitement in any professional league is the compe ion, watching superstars play against each other and watching evenly matched teams play against each other. Pretty soon,only one team will have a chance to win the le. What kind of league is that?
Mike tried to get Barkley
Kobe cried about being traded
LeBron used Free Agency to his advantage
Barkley joined the Rockets but tried to get Pippen in Phoenix prior
This stuff is media spin and old players using it to their advantage, it gives folks something to waste time debating and discussing. Heck, Mike would have left the Bulls to, especially if they didn't pay him that $30 million for one year he got, wonder where he would have gone
The reason everyone is killing Lebron is easy. Say what you will, Kobe did it with his team. He wanted out of the Lakers and was getting killed for it, but in the end, gets praised with staying and winning with the Lakers.
Jordan did it with his team. Lebron decided that instead of trying to beat Wade, he'd go to Wade's team. Basically, a physical talent that has never been seen in basketball (and make no mistake, there's never been a Lebron) decided to be a second fiddle on someone else's team. Seems kind of a let down.
Jordan would have taken Bird and Magic on his team if the front office asked for them. But Jordan was the ultimate compe or. He never would have gone to the Celtics or Lakers to play second fiddle to Bird or Magic. Everything we know about Jordan will back that up.
True basketball fans know what a special talent Lebron was, so it's disappointing in a way that he seemingly decided he didn't want to be the best, he wanted to just help. For that, he may never be considered a better player than Wade even though he's got more talent.
Say what you will about Wade, he's got the talent and drive to be an all time great. Having Bosh and Lebron along can help him become one of greatest winners ever. I can see why Wade wanted to do this. He just wanted to win. But Lebron has willingly took a backseat to Wade and gone to his team to win when he should have been pushing for other talent to come to Cleveland.
And whether Lebron wants to admit it or not, he inadvertently screwed Cleveland by not committing to the team last summer. Had he come out and signed an extension, other FA would have signed with the Cavs to play with Lebron and try for a le. But because he wouldn't make the commitment, FAs didn't want to risk being stuck on the Cavs while Lebron bolted. In the end, they were right.
You can blame the Cavs FO for not getting players, but Lebron wasn't helping lure FAs with his indecision. In the end, not big time FA wanted to sign with the Cavs, and Lebron can look in the mirror if he wants to know why.
Last edited by Nathan Explosion; 07-19-2010 at 09:18 PM.
Funny, I was just thinking how you should go back where you belong. I know you had to stop in to spread some misinformation about Kobe though. I'm sure he appreciates it.
As a Spurs fan, the thing that absolutely drives me crazy is the respect Lebron still seems to get in the media and general public, while David Robinson had to deal with the exact opposite.
Seriously, other than an extra MVP, what has Lebron really accomplished that David hadn't before the arrival of Tim Duncan? Sick stats? David had them. Freakish athleticism? Check. And while everyone points to David losing in the playoffs, so has Lebron... and with fairly comparable talent next to him (you could even argue Lebron has had more at points than Robinson did). I guess Lebron led his team to the finals once... but then again Robinson's team NEVER missed the playoffs, and Lebron can't say that.
David got SO MUCH crap, with people calling him "soft" and questioning his will to win. Well, the one thing David NEVER did was quit on his team in the playoffs, even when he was getting out-performed.
People still say that what keeps him from being one of the top players of all time is that he could never win without another all-time great next to him. But in that case, I don't know how you can ever give Lebron more credit as a star who can win without help, because even if he wins now (and I'm not against his choice to go to the heat), he still did it with an all-time great next to him. But rather than wait for that player to come to him... he went to them instead.
I think that ANYONE who ever questions Robinson's ability, heart, or performance has to be equally or MORE harsh towards Lebron James. And for the life of me, I'll never understand why a true hero and role model got less public adoration than a man who refers to himself in the third person five times in a one-hour tv special... that he put on... to talk about himself. Robinson was respectful, and was a leader on and off the court... and he could have shown Lebron a thing or two about what "doing it for the kids" really is all about.
Last edited by ajh18; 07-19-2010 at 10:51 PM.
What I truly don't understand is how can people compare apples and oranges like that. I don't want to sound nasty towards Lebron, Wade or Bosh, but they don't really belong in the same sentence as Jordan, Magic or Bird. Seriously, Bosh is not 1/10th of the player Bird was.
Cornering the market to bring talents of the level of Lebron + Wade + Bosh has been done before. Bosh isn't even going to the HoF as of today.
When talking about Jordan people would make it sound like Pippen wasn't a 7-time All Star, perennial All-Defensive 1st team and inducted in All-NBA 1st team when Jordan was away (and of course in the HoF too) or that Rodman wasn't a two-time DPOY and perennial All-Defensive 1st who had already won 2 rings with Detroit before and a borderline HoF guy in his own right.
Re: Bird they'd have you believe he never played with McHale (HoF) and Parish (also HoF)... etc. Should I even mention the Parish + 1st draft pick (McHale) for 2 1st round draft picks (Rickey Brown and Joe Mary Carroll) trade? It's not like lopsided trades were invented with Pau Gasol or Garnett.
I'd say Bird + McHale + Parish is more comparable to Lebron + Wade + Bosh than Bird + Magic + Jordan.
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