Agreed. NFL games died after 2k5, which is extremely sad. I've had Madden 11 for a couple of weeks now, it was awesome at first (as usual), new menus, back of the box features, new music, all that crap. Once you start playing the game and getting into a franchise, by the third week it becomes the same stale crap they've been putting out since they bought the license. Actually, I've never actually like Madden on the PS2/Xbox days, when they actually had much compe ion. It was always minor upgrades and stale gameplay.
Seems like another year of action replay on the xbox to get Fynn's editor schedule and rosters for the 2010 season.
EA SPORTS
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I agree. I don't know why anyone wastes their money and time on EA Sports, especially basketball and football. Neither has been worth a damn and was always significantly worse than the leading opposition (2k). AFAIK, only NHL and soccer are worth playing.
I love how now that ESPN and EA Sports are in bed together, although in the early 90's ESPN sued EA Sports, ESPN makes gushing blogs and promotes them on all of their big shows. Even though EA Sports has seen declining sales with Madden throughout this generation of consoles. I'm hopeful that all these ing exclusivity contracts (MLB, NCAA & NFL) are gone by the next-gen consoles in 2013 or 2014.
Wow, someone should deck those suits that make millions, if not billions, off of what Trip Hawkins helped create and build in EA Sports/Madden NFL. EA Sports is big business and nothing more.
Last edited by J_Paco; 08-11-2010 at 11:27 PM.
Yes because big business is eeeeevilllllll
In someways yes and in other ways no. When you let prior business dealings affect your treatment of the founder of the company, then yes. He deserved to be there because without him they've have no EA or Madden NFL series.Yes because big business is eeeeevilllllll
No compe ion agreements, as EA favors, are always evil. If EA hadn't made the agreement with the NFL when it did, 2k Games would probably be equal to or outselling Madden, because they put out a superior product.Yes because big business is eeeeevilllllll
Doubtfull. Theres too much name recognition.
I personally don't like 2K when it comes to basketball, i prefer the play and overall look by EA more.
Agreed No compe ion agreements are bad.
The only thing that has caught me off guard in this game neither bad nor good is how much advertising there is....
I don't care if 2k games would be outselling Madden or not. It would likely be a better product because this Madden is meh.
Not doubtful at all.
Sales figures from the year that Madden 05 and NFL 2k5 were released:
Video Game Sales 2004
1. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (PS2) - 5.1 million
2. Halo 2 (Xbox) - 4.2 million* includes Limited & Collector's Editions
3. Madden NFL 2005 (PS2) - 3.2 million
4. ESPN NFL 2K5 (PS2) - 1.5 million
5. Need for Speed Underground 2 (PS2) - 1.4 million
6. Pokemon FireRed (with adapter) (GBA) - 1.2 million
7. NBA Live 2005 (PS2) - 1.2 million
8. Spider-Man 2 (PS2) - 1.1 million
9. Halo: Combat Evolved (Xbox) - 1.1 million
10. ESPN NFL 2K5 (Xbox)- 1.0 million
So yes, Madden did move twice as many units, but considering NFL 2k5 cut into nearly 1/3rd of it's marketshare, that is a HUGE percentage considering how historically dominant Madden sales were.
Look at the previous year's sales:
Video game sales in 2003:
Rank le Platform Publisher
1 Madden NFL 2004 PS2 Electronic Arts
2 Pokémon Ruby GBA Nintendo
3 Pokémon Sapphire GBA Nintendo
4 Need for Speed: Underground PS2 Electronic Arts
5 The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker GameCube Nintendo
6 Grand Theft Auto: Vice City PS2 Rockstar Games
7 Mario Kart: Double Dash!! GameCube Nintendo
8 Tony Hawk's Underground PS2 Activision
9 Enter the Matrix PS2 Atari
10 Medal of Honor: Rising Sun PS2 Electronic Arts
So Madden went from the most sold le on the Ps2 to the 3rd most sold game, and the 2k series of games went from not even listed to the 4th best selling game in the country. If that's not a significant change, enough to signify how much of a challenge 2k was, then why did EA sign a 1,000,000,000 (billion) dollar contract with the NFL which gave them exclusive rights to use the real players in their games? You have no reason as a company to spend a billion dollars if you aren't feeling threatened.
Go back and read the reviews. Almost every single gaming review site said that NFL 2k5 was at least slightly superior to Madden, and most of them said it was FAR and away superior. In fact, if you type a google search of NFL 2k5 vs.... what pops up? Not Madden 2005, but Madden 2010! Meaning that most people are still comparing the modern Madden to a game that's now 7 years old. If that doesn't stand as an indicator of how strongly a game stuck in the mind of sports gamers, then nothing really will.
Well, there was no ing GTA San Andreas or Halo 2 in 2003.
And Vice City came out in 2002.
There was no 2k Games on the top 10, either. 2k5 was 4th.
I doubt 2k made much more money from 2004 to 2003, since the game was 30 dollars cheaper.
I never even owned a Madden game till Madden 06. I had a Dreamcast, and just kinda stayed with 2k till Madden took the rights.
2k5 is definitely some super urban legend in the world of video games. The only drastic change I noticed was the presentation was so much better. But the gameplay was not very different(Though, not a bad thing, since I liked NFL 2k's gameplay).
And how is a presentation not a major factor in a sports game?
2k5 was by far the best sports game EVER made to that point, as far as simulating the sights and sounds of a real football game. Not only that, but it was FAR above anything that had ever been produced before. Even now, several years later, nothing I've played is significantly better from a presentation and gameplay standpoint.
If they would remake it today, with HD graphics, and retain the same gameplay without the bugs, it would blow away Madden 2010 (haven't played 11 yet so I can't say).
People would complain about the running game if it were out today. I remember how easy it was to run for 300+ on that game.
It was definitely great, but an urban legend. Gameday 97/98 was better for it's time.
Not if you maxed the CPUs difficulty level or adjusted the sliders for better gameplay.
CPU? I play sports games for online. Sliders can't be changed for online gameplay. It was a great game for it's time, though.
But all 2k's were great. Just overlooked.
So, I played a little Madden over the weekend.
It's just not great. Probably not even good. The tackling animations look like they were grafted from 2002. The player movement is jerky and not at all fluid. Some of the physics that work when tackling happens are nice, but overall this game looks and feels like a 3-4 year old game. At best.
Honestly, isn't there something wrong with the game when NFL 2k5 has better flow to the collisions on the field than Madden 2011?
Pathetic. This game isn't horrible, but it's also no better than Madden 2008. In fact, it's not much different at all. Basically some gameplay tweaks.
It's really disappointing, because I was hoping for a football game that's worthy to own this year. I'd rather not play a football game than this. It doesn't feel like even a relatively accurate recreation of football, to say nothing of a simulation.
The most hilarious thing about the situation is that NBA 2k11 will get lower scores than Madden does across the board despite being about 20 times the quality.
So far I give it a 6.5/10, and that's being pretty generous.
Fast forward to 0:37. At :43 seconds, a help defender comes in to make a stop. Have you EVER seen a defender just fall off a man who's not moving like that? A guy with no momentum who's standing straight up, struggling to do ANYTHING, and a tackler hits him at speed and immediately becomes shed like his weight and momentum has no bearing on the play.
The physics just suck and they haven't changed them since Madden went to the Ps3/360.
7 years old and still doing it better.
Look at that. Just unbelievable. 2k5's animations aren't better by a huge margin, but they're better, IMO. LMAO at 4:00 when the cornerback on Madden manages to change speed, jump, and deflect a pass all while having his back to the QB and his head not even turned to see the ball.
That whole video is a pretty good example of why Madden is a decent football game AT BEST. I could site 15 examples from it that 2k5 still does better that EA has never bothered to correct, because they'd rather just slop the same product out every year rather than doing it right. No compe ion = sucks for gamers.
This game isn't even worth a 6.5. Look at the replay at 4:45 and watch the way the tight end moves his feet. Is he wearing freaking rollerblades to run that way without even moving? Basic laws of physics need not apply.
It's ridiculous that EA gets a free pass and a "9.0" every year from gaming magazines, and shows how crippled game review sites are, if not outright corrupt. No sports fan I know who's being objective would ever give Madden those kind of marks after just playing the game a single time.
Last edited by Cry Havoc; 08-23-2010 at 03:19 PM.
IGN SCORE 8.0 "Impressive"
Press Score 8.3 - 13 ratings
Reader score 6.1 - 276 ratings
"Now, not everything is perfect. In online play, your opponent can't quit the game before halftime if he/she is getting blown out and it won't count as a win for you, which is pretty lame in my opinion. Other than that, I really don't see something I can say "this sucks" or anything else. But, this is just my opinion, play the game and submit make your own opinion about it."
From a guy who reviewed the game as a "10".
Last edited by Cry Havoc; 08-23-2010 at 03:43 PM.
Meh, its football and thats the only reason I'm playing it. Def not impressive. Waiting for 2k11 to get here.
I agree on every point.
EA is good for NHL and soccer
2K for NBA and NFL
, I still remember NFL 2K5 on PS2
Not gonna bother putting it into my Xbox again if I can't play ranked vs friends. Just gonna have to wait for 2k11, as well.
who wants to get raped on 360?
who wants to get raped on PS3?
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