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Calm down Snoopy, it ain't happenin'. Don't forget they had that option but decided to ship the lesser player to NY.
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I "was" happy when we first acquired Rasho, he was a decent player in Minnesota avg 11 pts. a game. Then he goes to a contender and drops off to 4pts a game. I'm not ting on him 'cause his lack of game speaks for himself but he needs to be more aggressive.
Calm down Snoopy, it ain't happenin'. Don't forget they had that option but decided to ship the lesser player to NY.
Xenophobe!
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NY wouldn't take back the lesser player. So we're stuck with the Slammin' Slovene.
Keep telling yourself that.
If I remember Pop's quote after the trade NY was asking for Rasho.
Who is the better player, etc. etc.? I think the point is who cares if they win the championship? Hopefully this becomes a moot point.
NY didn't want Rasho or Rasho would've been gone, Jolly Green Slovene.
Man and at the end when Spurs will play with MIA or DET and if Nazr wont do a , what then you would talking about??' Nazr cant do , he is worthless........??
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Yes they wants him but Spurs did not let that.
afraid to tell you, but the original deal was Rasho for Mohammed.NY didn't want Rasho or Rasho would've been gone,
The Spurs declined, then it was Rose for Mohammed, and they went for it.
I wouldnt mind Rasho for Rose, doubt itll happen but next year
Mohammed
Rose
Scola
would be perfect in my mind.
I agree we need a small forward, and Richard Jefferson would be a great grab. However, I would think we'd have to give up more than Rasho and cash to get Jefferson. Maybe throw in Barry?
from http://www.basketball-reference.com/...jefferi01.html
Richard Jefferson:
Most Similar Season at Age
21. Clyde Drexler (857) (Compare)
21. Ron Artest (857) (Compare)
22. Caron Butler (871) (Compare)
23. Glenn Robinson (895) (Compare)
24. Lionel Simmons (889) (Compare)
With NY you never Know, Isiah Thomas can trade T-Mass for Mailk too
The problem is that:
Due to New York and San Antonio being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. New York and San Antonio had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did not happen here (only New York met the condition). This trade does not satisfy the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
If one trade satisfy the CBA Isiah can Made the trade, and thats the trade:
Realgm trade Checker
Trade ID for this scenario is 2384743.
San Antonio Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Radoslav Nesterovic
7-0 C from Slovenia
5.9 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 1.0 apg in 25.5 minutes
Incoming
Malik Rose
6-7 PF from Drexel
8.3 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 0.7 apg in 23.6 minutes
Change in team outlook: +2.4 ppg, -2.2 rpg, and -0.3 apg.
New York Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Malik Rose
6-7 PF from Drexel
8.3 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 0.7 apg in 23.6 minutes
Incoming
Radoslav Nesterovic
7-0 C from Slovenia
5.9 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 1.0 apg in 25.5 minutes
Change in team outlook: -2.4 ppg, +2.2 rpg, and +0.3 apg.
Successful Scenario
Due to San Antonio and New York being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. San Antonio and New York had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
Are you high? Nazr can't do and is worthless? He's figured out how to do what Rasho never has--take advantage of the fact that Tim Duncan is double teamed and cash it in on the weak side. Rasho plays solid D, but Nazr is rapidly catching up in that department too.Man and at the end when Spurs will play with MIA or DET and if Nazr wont do a , what then you would talking about??' Nazr cant do , he is worthless........??
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Side note: After Nazr's three point play in the third, it was cool to see the bench explode cheering him on with Rasho yelling the loudest.
I did not say that he is worthless!!! I said IF!!!
Ah, sorry. I misinterpreted your post.
Damn it ain't all that complicated.
Pop played positional matchups and Nazr matches up better than Rasho does for this round. Nazr's offensive game is ahead of Rasho's and defensively it's just the opposite.
PAY ATTENTION HERE->BOTH OF THEM GIVE THE SPURS SOME BEEF IN THE POST TO DEAL WITH THE SHAQ'S & WALLACES OF THE WORLD. We're better with both.
Pop seems to like Rasho's game alot so I doubt that he'll be traded this off-season. I would really like to get a athletic PF like Horry in exchange for Rasho. Don't forget people that Luis Scola is probable here in San Antonio next season so that will mean less minutes for backup players like Horry and Rasho.
Rasho will be needed when (not if) we face Detroit or Miami (most likely the former) in the Finals.
TMass will get more minutes than too. They're both better defenders, but Nazr gives us more offensively. And he's improved his defense considerably, which will motivate Rasho to fight to keep is starting spot.
Thanks. This is the best response yet.
Nah, let's see if Isaiah has anything left in the Knick's cupboard (other than Malik). He's so easy to take a bad deal we can probably skin him one more time before he's fired.
Scola will take Horry's minutes, I suspect Horry will retire or have a greatly reduced role in the coming years. He's getting older and is much more potent when he can come in, play hard defense, block a few shots, hit a few spot-up 3's, but not average more than 10-15 minutes a game.
I am not going to bash Nazr or defend Rasho here, but what do some of the people who have been watching the playoffs (and know a bit about basketball) think about their Roland ratings?
http://www.82games.com/0405SAS.HTM (regular season)
http://www.82games.com/playoffs/045PSAS.HTM (playoffs)
Despite Rasho's decline in traditional stats (especially offensive) and Nazr producing some very good ones, you can notice fairly clearly the team seems to do better when Rasho is on the court than when Nazr is there. During the regular season the team was +11 points per 48 minutes with Rasho in the lineup and +5.1 when he was on the bench, while with Nazr in the team the Spurs would average a -6.5 point differential and a +9.5 without him.
Difference:
17.5 points in Rasho's favour, or 21.8 if you include the off court +/-.
Some would argue (i'm sure to extent correctly) that there is difference in starting and coming off the bench because the starters play more minutes with the best lineup, but then when you look at playoff numbers, it doesn't change all that much, and Rasho still produces much better +/- numbers than Nazr even while coming off the bench: Team with Rasho: +15.3, without him: +7.8. Team with Nazr: +3.9, without him: +13.8.
Difference:
11.4 points in Rasho's favour, 17.3 if you include the off court stats aswell.
Now i've been disappointed with Rasho's performance so far this year and i'd probably give him a D at best for his improvement from last year (or lack off), and i don't have anything at all against Nazr, i think it's amazing for a team to have two centers who could start in half of the teams in the league, but those numbers to me maybe suggest there is a lot of things in the game that affect the score more than traditional stats do. It's still too early to judge Nazr since he hasn't been here long enough to really learn the defensive system, but what does everyone think of that +/- discrepancy?
I'm seated in the bulkhead row seat on the Rasho bandwagon, but the +/- stat seems like total BS to me. It can be influenced by too many factors, considering that there are 9 other guys on the court contributing to a player's +/-.
And your name is frighteningly similar to mine, Karl Mundt. That's Slovenian and not German?
Rasho's not going anywhere. I don't know where people are getting the impresion the original trade was proposed to be for Rasho. I remember Pop talking about the motivation for the trade being 1. salary cap relief and 2. gaining some height in our back up centers. Trading Rasho for Rose - or almost anyone, other than Shaq or Brad Miller - would be a significant downgrade in defense and in height.
SPurs give up Rose and Nazr shines in the playoffs.
Knicks give up Nazr and head to the lottery, with Rose.
I think it's clear the trade was a good move, as much as I love and miss Rose as a personality.
I could surley say that if SPURS face with MIA or DET and if Rasho again wont play and Massenburg than it is hard to belive that we will win the Championship.
I agree with you about the +/- stats being influenced by many factors (and i think there should be some formula that would take into account +/- ratings for all players on the court and off the court of both teams to get a true individual stat), but with a big enough sample and with a difference as big as that mentioned in my post, i think it's a fair starting point for a debate.
I think the name is German, not really my name though.
On the Rasho/Nazr/Thomas trade: Knicks wanted Rasho for Nazr, Spurs wanted to trade Malik. Knicks adjusted by offering Thomas+Nazr for Rasho+Malik, Spurs refused again. At the end they settled on Nazr for Malik + 1st round draft picks. Basically the Spurs rather gave up two first round draft picks than to package in Rasho in the trade for Kurt Thomas. But really anything after that "Pay up, " from Marcus is just pure comedy.
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