Chris Paul or Deron Williams?

[DeadlyDynasty]

I said he wasn't 1st team all nba defender, would you agree that Artest (yes i was wrong) deserved it more?

I would agree, but not overwhelmingly...they both were great defensively this year and each put their stamp on the playoffs. Ron-Ron did a great job on Durant in the playoffs, but that series changed for good when Phil Jax assigned Kobe to Westbrook in Games 5 and 6. On the flipside, we don't beat the Celtics if Ariza, Kobe, or ANYBODY OTHER than Artest is defending Pierce.

[Red Hawk #21]

D-Will

[BRHornet45]

Wait, so you claim the NBA to be "rigged", or as fake as the WWE, now it's legit because Paul has an award? lol "HYPOCRITE"MVP can be a deciding factor on who is the better player, not all NBA defensive team. Artest has been on there before, didn't make him the best player

Other than the fact that you are trying to fit in with the trendy crowd, what other reason do you say that Williams is better? Since the awards, honors, and MUCH BETTER stats in nearly EVERY SINGLE category means NOTHING for Paul.... Williams doesn't have a leg to stand on other than a few fanboys like yourself who know next to nothing about the game.

[Thompson]

I think I might choose Deron Williams. They're both excellent on the court, but I like Williams more and I'm starting to wonder about Paul's off-the-court demeanor. They played well with Pargo backing him up, but Paul apparently felt threatened by him so they let him go. Collison did a great job in Paul's stead last year, and now he's gone (along with Posey) for Ariza.

It might be somewhat like the Shaq vs. Duncan debate. On the court they're pretty close, but Duncan is a franchise player you can build around for a generation, whereas Shaq will eventually create locker-room issues with his ego (making Duncan the choice by a landslide). I admit I'm not certain about Paul having such issues, but I wonder about it enough that I'd probably choose Williams to be safe.

[redzero]

Oh no! How could we let Jannero Pargo go?

For the last time, since some of the slow people here do not get it, Deron Williams is not a better shooter than Chris Paul. Repeatedly saying that "Williams has more range or Williams is a three point threat" won't change the fact that Chris Paul is has a better field goal percentage and three-point percentage than Williams. Even going into advanced statistics, Paul has a better true shooting percentage, so please stop saying that Williams is a better shooter.

And while we're doing comparisons, Chris Paul is also a better passer, is less turnover prone and he is a better rebounder. Williams is not a better defender. Period.

But at least Williams is taller, so one could say he does that better than Chris Paul.

[Brazil]

this again ? there are already 1000000 threads about that

[balli]

Deron Williams is thrice the defensive threat that little, short, weigh-nothing Paul is. Deron will bang with two guards. He'll chest up Kobe in the high post. Paul gets med on by Chauncey, Deron or anyone else who wants to score really. And Paul can't switch on the perimeter without getting embarrassed even more than he routinely does by even mediocre PGs. Oh, but he gambles the passing lanes for two steals a game though right? Yeah, that makes him such a better defender.

Paul's also a flopping, butthurt, injury prone little . He doesn't have cartilage in his knee. He's an organizational cancer.

Deron. Hands down. Without a question. Anyone who says different is flat wrong.

[Cane]

CP3 got injured and he's got to prove that he can be the player he once was again. D-Will ftw until then.

[spursfan1000]

Chris Paul was out for a long time last season, if he can return to how he was pre-injury then I would have to go with CP3.

[Red Hawk #21]

Deron Williams is thrice the defensive threat that little, short, weigh-nothing Paul is. Deron will bang with two guards. He'll chest up Kobe in the high post. Paul gets med on by Chauncey, Deron or anyone else who wants to score really. And Paul can't switch on the perimeter without getting embarrassed even more than he routinely does by even mediocre PGs. Oh, but he gambles the passing lanes for two steals a game though right? Yeah, that makes him such a better defender.

Paul's also a flopping, butthurt, injury prone little . He doesn't have cartilage in his knee. He's an organizational cancer.

Deron. Hands down. Without a question. Anyone who says different is flat wrong.

Balli with the goods yet again. Good post hermano

[redzero]

Deron Williams is thrice the defensive threat that little, short, weigh-nothing Paul is. Deron will bang with two guards. He'll chest up Kobe in the high post. Paul gets med on by Chauncey, Deron or anyone else who wants to score really. And Paul can't switch on the perimeter without getting embarrassed even more than he routinely does by even mediocre PGs. Oh, but he gambles the passing lanes for two steals a game though right? Yeah, that makes him such a better defender.

Paul's also a flopping, butthurt, injury prone little . He doesn't have cartilage in his knee. He's an organizational cancer.

Deron. Hands down. Without a question. Anyone who says different is flat wrong.

You haven't actually made any points at all.

[balli]

You haven't actually made any points at all.

Sure I did. I pointed out that Paul can't guard size, either the averagely built pg, or much less a solid two. (Actually, guarding two guards is something that is so vastly out of Paul's league that he shouldn't even dream about it at night.) I pointed out that Paul gets shat on, routinely, and can only resort to sagging into passing lanes. I pointed out that he gets severely injured all the time. I pointed out that he flops; that's another thing he resorts to in lieu of defensive ability. I pointed out that he generally cries and carries on like a little ; to refs, to teammates, to coaches, to ownership, to newspapers, to diners in NYC. I pointed out that he no longer has a meniscus in his left knee.

Those are the points I made.

[21_Blessings]

I pointed out that he no longer has a meniscus in his left knee.

[redzero]

Sure I did. I pointed out that Paul can't guard size, either the averagely built pg, or much less a solid two. (Actually, guarding two guards is something that is so vastly out of Paul's league that he shouldn't even dream about it at night.)

When did Williams become this lockdown defender all of a sudden?

I pointed out that Paul gets shat on, routinely, and can only resort to sagging into passing lanes.

Proof? Oh, you're just going to talk about the Nuggets series when Rasual Butler guarded Chauncey Billups. Never mind.

I pointed out that he gets severely injured all the time.

He has one injury plagued season in the last three years, and now he is injured all the time.

I pointed out that he flops; that's another thing he resorts to in lieu of defensive ability.

Oh, Chris Paul is so horrible defensively that he was on All Defense 1st team, All Defense 2nd team, was sixth in the NBA in defensive win shares once, was tenth in the NBA in defensive win shares once, and so on. Also, the Hornets are a much worse defensive team without Chris Paul.

But Williams is taller so he's better.

I pointed out that he generally cries and carries on like a little ; to refs, to teammates, to coaches, to ownership, to newspapers, to diners in NYC.

Which is completely irrelevant when discussing who the better player is, dumbass.

I pointed out that he no longer has a meniscus in his left knee.

Which doesn't make Williams better.

Those are the points I made.

And they were all .

What about Paul being a better scorer, shooter, passer, rebounder, and less turnover prone? There's no point denying that, because stats don't lie.

Oh, you're just going to say that he has the ball in his hands all the time.

Well, Deron turns the ball over more and is a worse shooter, so I guess his numbers would be even worse if he had the ball even longer.

[IronMexican]

CP3, without much of a second though.

[DAF86]

I love these kind of threads.

And yeah, CP3 is better.

[Purch]

Ask this question on any other basketball forum and majority would choose Paul. Spurstalk members have a personal beef against Paul and will vote against him simply out of spite. Its funny on this board because picking Williams is the trendy/cool thing to do. Ignore the stats and the facts

What that's funny?

Prosports daily just had a poll thread of the best point guards in the Nba and they voted D-Will.

Insidehoops had a thread the other day on Cp3 vs D-Will and they voted D-Will

even most people on realgm claimed D-Will as the best pg


By Basketball forum are you referring to Hornets forums

[redzero]

What that's funny?

Prosports daily just had a poll thread of the best point guards in the Nba and they voted D-Will.

Insidehoops had a thread the other day on Cp3 vs D-Will and they voted D-Will

even most people on realgm claimed D-Will as the best pg


By Basketball forum are you referring to Hornets forums

These people had this knee jerk reaction and voted for Williams because Paul was injured.

[Purch]

These people had this knee jerk reaction and voted for Williams because Paul was injured.

Lol o ok. Cause we should listen to you guys instead because you're less biased hornets fan instead of the neutral fans that voted in the polls ?



But of course since Hornets fans know best

[redzero]

Lol o ok. Cause we should listen to you guys instead because you're less biased hornets fan instead of the neutral fans that voted in the polls ?



But of course since Hornets fans know best

Hey, I already made my points. Do you care to refute them? Is Williams the better passer? Scorer? Shooter? Rebounder?

[Purch]

Well since you're a Hornets fan I'm assuming you're obsessed with stats. So you'll probably claim things like Paul is a better shooter then Deron because of a higher fg% percent and 3% percent on more shots.

The same logic that tells me Jason Kidd is a better three point shooter then Ray Allen.

[redzero]

Well since you're a Hornets fan I'm assuming you're obsessed with stats. So you'll probably claim things like Paul is a better shooter then Deron because of a higher fg% percent and 3% percent on more shots.

The same logic that tells me Jason Kidd is a better three point shooter then Ray Allen.

Oh, you mean that I'm obsessed with facts? If I say that Chris Paul is a better shooter than Deron Williams, and I back that up with fg%, how does that make me obsessed with facts?

One thing I know for sure is that better shooters shoot better than the one they are being compared to, so there.

[Purch]

So by facts you mean stats? Because I could use these same "facts" to say Chris Paul is a better shooter then Dirk Nowitzki but at the end of the day it doesn't make my point anymore valid.

Stats can be manipulated for anything.

I could make a damn good argument with stats that Kidd is a better shooter then Allen. Does it make my point any more valid?

No

If you watch Ray Allen play in a game you can clearly see he's a better three point shooter then Kidd.

It's the same With Deron, if you watch him in a game you can clearly see he's a better shooter then Paul.


Anyhow no need to argue the polls on many basketball forums including this one speak for themselves

[LkrFan]

Deron >>> CP3. Stats are similar, however CP3 dominates the ball LeHype style. Deron plays in a system, yet still gets his assists. Deron rebounds better. Better post up game. Better defender (and no - going for steals all the time is not good defense).

Utah team apg - 26.7
NO team apg - 22.3

Deron apg - 10.5
CP3 apg - 10.7

If Deron dominated the ball like CP3 did, he would probably average between 11-13 apg which would easily lead the league. Instead, he is a mere 0.5 apg from doing it anyway and he doesn't play in a run and gun like Nash who led the league at 11.0 apg.

Deron is the best in the game. Period.

[Killakobe81]

Again? We know I prefer Dwilll but that is no knock on PAul ...he is great too ...