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  1. #26
    #FreeGiuseppe BlackSwordsMan's Avatar
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    nothing wrong with kobe and lebron riding the coattails of their team mates all that matters in the end is the ring

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    ಥ﹏ಥ DAF86's Avatar
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    I only troll with substance, tbh.

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    nothing wrong with kobe and lebron riding the coattails of their team mates all that matters in the end is the ring
    Not when Laker fans are trying to make a case for Kobe as GOAT. In the end Kobe will be known as a talented player who won a few championships but not great.

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    you fail at trollin' me TheMACHINE's Avatar
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    Not when Laker fans are trying to make a case for Kobe as GOAT. In the end Kobe will be known as a talented player who won a few championships but not great.
    you're a dumbass...most lakers fans think Jordan is GOAT. Haters like you THINK lakers fans say that cuz your obsessed with Kobe.

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    As much of a Kobe apologist as I am, in all seriousness, if Kobe retired today I don't think he's a top 10 player all time. I think he's somewhere around 10-15 among the all time greats. Honestly.

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    yo sup with all these self doubt ass threads?? in this forum is it to assist with folks feelings and assurance of their own team.!!! talk basketball..

    lets see here
    Lebron...

    Kobe is just ok not great I'm mean think about he really didnt do anything he was bailed out cause championships are won by one player not the team shiiiittt i know what I'm talking about u haters!!

    certain teams are lucky not good( the ones i hate though)

    the heat, but i hope they beat the lakers...

    don't say anything bad about the spurs or teams i like or you don't know basketball..


    the fans are all dumb that's why I hate the city


    who da started a post wondering who is gay?
    that's some down low gay it's self..any man who ponders if others are gay.....
    ....is gay !!!

    man I'm sorry but i guess the season needs to start asap huh!!
    whats up with some B-ball talk ...predictions and why ...best defense.. etc....
    that's what made me join here guess i saw like two rare post here and assumed the best LOL
    or am i giving folks on here to much credit ? i like the funny and opinion post, just a trip when posters try and make opinion facts

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    you're a dumbass...most lakers fans think Jordan is GOAT. Haters like you THINK lakers fans say that cuz your obsessed with Kobe.
    If I posted polls on a few Lakers forums asking who is better between Kobe and MJ, who do you think would win the polls?

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    No darkness Cry Havoc's Avatar
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    If I posted polls on a few Lakers forums asking who is better between Kobe and MJ, who do you think would win the polls?
    Fans at Lakersgrounds would ask why Jordan even deserves to be compared to Kobe.

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    few Lakers forums
    whats good redzero!?!?

    that's age and online related we never know who's clicking to get an honest count one needs to speak with fans of all ages /backgrounds..basically be in the city or around true honest basketball fans that's what Machine was trying to say
    yes most lakers fans do feel MJ is better/yet like kobe more as they should
    also keep this in mind not everyone in L.A likes the Lakers LOL say about 40-50% the rest don't give a or don't care

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    You have to put Jordan on this list…He never won a ring before Phil Jackson took over…

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    yo sup with all these self doubt ass threads?? in this forum is it to assist with folks feelings and assurance of their own team.!!! talk basketball..

    lets see here
    Lebron...

    Kobe is just ok not great I'm mean think about he really didnt do anything he was bailed out cause championships are won by one player not the team shiiiittt i know what I'm talking about u haters!!

    certain teams are lucky not good( the ones i hate though)

    the heat, but i hope they beat the lakers...

    don't say anything bad about the spurs or teams i like or you don't know basketball..


    the fans are all dumb that's why I hate the city


    who da started a post wondering who is gay?
    that's some down low gay it's self..any man who ponders if others are gay.....
    ....is gay !!!

    man I'm sorry but i guess the season needs to start asap huh!!
    whats up with some B-ball talk ...predictions and why ...best defense.. etc....
    that's what made me join here guess i saw like two rare post here and assumed the best LOL
    or am i giving folks on here to much credit ? i like the funny and opinion post, just a trip when posters try and make opinion facts
    Ugh, make it stop..somebody please make it stop..

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    Shaquille O'Neal has now become the poster child for coatriding, hopping on superstar to superstar on his quest to one-up Duncan and now to chase down Kobe.

    I know the Kobe hate is great on this site but stuff like this gets comical. Coatriding to me infers the player actively goes out to ride another player's coattails. While Kobe wanted to be a Laker, he didn't go out and choose to play for the Lakers. Jerry West traded for him before he played a game in the NBA. Kobe didn't join a team with Shaq on it. They arrived in the same summer. It's not like Karl Malone and Gary Payton in 2003-04. It's not like KG to Boston in 2007. It's not like LeBron this summer.

    As for the notion that Kobe's riding Pau Gasol's coattails, come on now. If that's the case, then Duncan road Ginobili's coattails in 2005 and Tony Parker's coattails in 2007. It really has gotten comical.
    The difference was, Duncan was still far and away the best overall player on the Spurs in '05 and '07, meanwhile O'Neal was the undisputed best player on the Lakers during their three peat. Not even the most ardent Bryant supporters claim otherwise. So that's a terrible comparison.

    And Harlem, how did "Gasol receive very little credit throughout the playoffs"? The media has fallen head over heels with him. They slobber over his every move. He could make the simplest of plays and Breen would go "oh ho, pretty move by Gasol". And how many times did they tell us how skilled he was? As if we didn't get it or had forgotten.

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    Rooster-Lollypops TheManFromAcme's Avatar
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    Not when Laker fans are trying to make a case for Kobe as GOAT. In the end Kobe will be known as a talented player who won a few championships but not great.

    Please be around next June.......

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    The difference was, Duncan was still far and away the best overall player on the Spurs in '05 and '07, meanwhile O'Neal was the undisputed best player on the Lakers during their three peat. Not even the most ardent Bryant supporters claim otherwise. So that's a terrible comparison.
    Not in the 2005 and 2007 NBA Finals. Critically valuable to their success? Yes. Not far and away the best overall player. And despite winning the 2005 Finals MVP, Ginobili was the best player for the Spurs that series, and Robert Horry saved that series for the Spurs.

    And if you read what I wrote, it's to counter the notion that Kobe has ridden Pau Gasol's coattails. Do you believe that? If you do, then Duncan did much the same in 2005 and 2007. That's the point. Kobe has been the undisputed best player on the 2009 and 2010 Lakers championship teams. To suggest he's been riding Pau's coattails is pretty ridiculous. Has Pau been indispensable to their championship success? Yes. Has Kobe been riding his coattails? Umm, that's why I made the comment if he has, then so did Duncan in 2005 and 2007.

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    you fail at trollin' me TheMACHINE's Avatar
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    If I posted polls on a few Lakers forums asking who is better between Kobe and MJ, who do you think would win the polls?
    so tell "Ace" to posts his arguement on Lakersground then.

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    It would probably take you too long to make sense of his argument anyways..

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    It would probably take you too long to make sense of his argument anyways..
    Harlem punking the Machine as usual...

    I'll say this, John Salley was the GOAT of riding coat tales off of superstars. But, Robert Horry and Steve Kerr are right there behind him.

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    What ever happend with that bum elbow? I just love how the haters bashed Kobe all season for supposedly exaggerating and blaming his injuries with no mention of Bron doing the very same exact thing. And low and behold, Kobe has off season surgery to repair his faked injury and Bron? Ohhh his inury dissapeared magically. But that's the haters for you... full of TBH...


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    Lebron did have an injury, it was proven through an MRI..

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    Jamstone for as smart as you are. Your opinion doesn't count, as your one the biggest Kobe homers on the site. As far as Shaq, yes as of late he has become a coat rider but if you saw his Laker days. Then you know his dominance is behind the success of that team.
    And with similar logic one could say your opinion doesn't count either because your hatred obviously clouds your vision.

    The Lakers dont win squat without Shaq or Kobe durung those years. And neither wins squat without PJ at the helm and a handful of players that stepped up big and got them big wins. To suggest that Kobe rode Shaqs coattails is pure rubbish.

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    Lebron did have an injury, it was proven through an MRI..
    yeah... and elbow strain and bruise.

    You really are a tool... TBH...

    I haven't posted much lately as I have been very busy at work. It's been nothing but a pleasure to read through the threads from time to time to see you getting abused day after day.

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    Obviously it takes a great supporting cast to win championships but which superstar would you say got more credit than deserved due to coat riding? I say Kobe, due to the mere fact he had both the most dominate big men in Shaq and a one of the most talented 7fters in Pau to win. The reason I say Kobe because he is often compared to Jordan because of championships won. When the obvious fact is he needed tons of help to get where he is and fact is Shaq is the reason he has more the half the championships won is because of Shaq.
    Agree with this, Kobe benefited a lot from above-average to great big men such as Shaq and Gasol. The only people who compare Kobe to Jordan are Laker fans. It still haunts them that the greatest player to play the game didn't wear purple and gold. The sad part is that try as they may, Kobe will never even come close to the accomplishments Jordan achieved. Laker fans will always say that Kobe has five rings. So what? Horry had seven and he was as much of a coat-riding as Kobe is.

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    Agree with this, Kobe benefited a lot from above-average to great big men such as Shaq and Gasol. The only people who compare Kobe to Jordan are Laker fans. It still haunts them that the greatest player to play the game didn't wear purple and gold. The sad part is that try as they may, Kobe will never even come close to the accomplishments Jordan achieved. Laker fans will always say that Kobe has five rings. So what? Horry had seven and he was as much of a coat-riding as Kobe is.

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    As much of a Kobe apologist as I am, in all seriousness, if Kobe retired today I don't think he's a top 10 player all time. I think he's somewhere around 10-15 among the all time greats. Honestly.
    That's more like it Jammie

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