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    So, two things I thought of while reading that:

    DarrinS, given the facts presented in the article, would you say that President Obama handled this disaster well?
    Either him, or nature.


    Second, why were so many enviornmental scientists seemingly wrong about this issue? I mean, are they as bad as economists?

    I think there are differences of opinion as it pertains to the 22 mile long invisible mist.

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    Where is all the oil?

    Most of the problems experienced by "Gulf Oil Spill Victims" were caused by the Obama administration.

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    I didn't know you were a woman...
    Ha! Ok, technically, my wife gave birth to him. Slip o' the tongue.

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    Either him, or nature.
    So nature is responsible for....

    we mobilized the largest public- and private-sector disaster response in this nation's history
    We took control of the air space in the Gulf of Mexico to improve flight safety and more effectively employ air surveillance from the same base that defends North America from air attack
    We stood up a special science team, led by Energy Secretary Steven Chu, who oversaw every technical aspect of the well-kill efforts
    And this was all

    Led by the president, the first lady and the vice president, administration officials have made more than 75 trips to the region; all had responsibility for some portion of our response.
    Obviously, the man wasn't giving props to nature.

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    Gulf Oil Spill: Rick Steiner Got BP Disaster Right From The Beginning, Warns Crisis Is Far From Over

    "Government and industry will habitually understate the volume of the spill and the impact, and they will overstate the effectiveness of the cleanup and their response," he told me at the time. "There's no such thing as an effective response. There's never been an effective response -- ever -- where more than 10 or 20 percent of the oil is ever recovered from the water.

    And Steiner suspects the 10 percent recovery rate for BP is actually overstated. The report based its conclusions on operational reports showing that 11.1 million gallons of oil were burned and 34.7 million gallons of oily water were recovered through skimming.


    But Steiner said the actual amount of oil recovered could be about half what the report claims. The oil-water mix, which officials evidently assumed was 20 percent oil, could well have been closer to 10 percent, he said. As for the burned oil figures, "they are simply coming from the BP contractors out there and then put into the Incident Command reports as gospel. As far as I know, there was no independent observation or estimation of those numbers."


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/25/the-sage-of-spills-rick-s_n_693812.html?view=print

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    Underreporting?

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    Unpossible!

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    Gulf Oil Spill: Rick Steiner Got BP Disaster Right From The Beginning, Warns Crisis Is Far From Over

    "Government and industry will habitually understate the volume of the spill and the impact, and they will overstate the effectiveness of the cleanup and their response," he told me at the time. "There's no such thing as an effective response. There's never been an effective response -- ever -- where more than 10 or 20 percent of the oil is ever recovered from the water.

    And Steiner suspects the 10 percent recovery rate for BP is actually overstated. The report based its conclusions on operational reports showing that 11.1 million gallons of oil were burned and 34.7 million gallons of oily water were recovered through skimming.


    But Steiner said the actual amount of oil recovered could be about half what the report claims. The oil-water mix, which officials evidently assumed was 20 percent oil, could well have been closer to 10 percent, he said. As for the burned oil figures, "they are simply coming from the BP contractors out there and then put into the Incident Command reports as gospel. As far as I know, there was no independent observation or estimation of those numbers."


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/25/the-sage-of-spills-rick-s_n_693812.html?view=print
    Is the sky falling Chicken Little?

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    Funny how a dormant microbe was found that eats the out of oil once it's food was plentiful.

    New Microbe Discovered Gobbling Gulf Oil

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    Funny how a dormant microbe was found that eats the out of oil once it's food was plentiful.

    New Microbe Discovered Gobbling Gulf Oil

    Interesting.

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    Scientists also had been concerned that oil-eating activity by microbes would consume large amounts of oxygen in the water, creating a "dead zone" dangerous to other life. But the new study found that oxygen saturation outside the oil plume was 67 percent, while within the plume it was 59 percent.
    Hmmmm....so no oxygen depletion? GASP! No dead zones?

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    "No dead zones"

    With crap water pouring out of the BigAg/BigChem-polluted Mississippi, the Gulf has enough dead zones.

    Nobody knows what's going on in the Gulf, and nobody knows how to fix it if it ain't going right.

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    The War of Lawyers and corporate fog machine in full blast:



    August 25, 2010

    Missing Piece in Oil Rig Inquiry: Who Was in Charge?

    By ROBBIE BROWN

    HOUSTON — Even after dozens of witnesses, a hundred hours of testimony and three months of investigation, a chairman of a federal panel exploring the Deepwater Horizon disaster admitted Wednesday that he still lacked a simple fact: Who was the top authority on the oil rig when it exploded?

    The finger-pointing among various witnesses and lawyers has become so routine at the government hearings that the chairman, Capt. Hung Nguyen of the Coast Guard, said he viewed the rig as a “three-legged stool” — wobbly and without anyone taking responsibility.

    “Somebody’s got to be in charge here,” Mr. Nguyen said. “I just don’t have a clear picture in my mind of who it is here.”

    The panel of Coast Guard and Interior Department representatives is trying to determine the causes of the explosion that led to the huge oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico. But the hearings have been dominated by disagreements among lawyers for the companies involved: BP, which owned the well and leased the rig; Transocean, the rig’s owner; and Halliburton, which poured cement around the well.

    Looming over the hearings are pending civil trials and a Department of Justice criminal investigation that are likely to involve the same witnesses and rely on facts that emerge from their testimony.

    This week, BP has been pushing back against the perception that it is primarily responsible for the spill. On Wednesday, the company issued a statement saying that Halliburton should have stopped work on cementing the well if its workers held genuine safety concerns. To not do so, BP said, would be “morally repugnant.”

    ( BP has moral concerns? moral capacity? It's a ing Corporate-American, they don't need no stinkin morals )

    Halliburton replied with a statement that said BP had ignored its warnings and persisted with a risky plan to use fewer devices called centralizers when cementing the well. “Ultimately, Halliburton acted on the decisions of and at the explicit direction of the well owner,” the statement said.

    The dispute follows testimony Tuesday about a report from Halliburton to BP two days before the explosion that said the cement could result in a “severe gas flow” problem.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/26/us...gewanted=print


    yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda ad nauseam

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    *yawn*

    This message is hidden because boutons_deux is on your ignore list.

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    I see what you did there.....you really made boutons your .

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    I see what you did there.....you really made boutons your .
    all this ignore stuff.

    words will always hurt him.

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    I see what you did there.....you really made boutons your .
    Actually, the political forum is much more fun with Boutons and Goran Dumb on ignore.

    All Boutons does is rave about Repugs, and Goran Dumb clearly has a reading comprehension disability.

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    This message is hidden because CosmicCowboy is on your ignore list.

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    CC, like Yoni, hates the -slappin truth Boutons lays on him.

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    Actually Blake, thats no problem at all considering you are one of the bottom feeder intellects in here anyway. No relevant responses lost there...

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    Actually Blake, thats no problem at all considering you are one of the bottom feeder intellects in here anyway. No relevant responses lost there...
    I was just kidding. I would never take the time to put someone on ignore, much less take the extra time to let them know they are on ignore.

    It's a sign of mental weakness and/or severe butthurtness imo.

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    I was just kidding. I would never take the time to put someone on ignore, much less take the extra time to let them know they are on ignore.

    It's a sign of mental weakness and/or severe butthurtness imo.
    Actually, Goran Dumb was so butthurt I had him on ignore he invented another troll just so I could see his ignorant posts...

    And it's hardly a sign of mental weakness after reading dozens/hundreds of posts from someone to come to the realization that they simply have nothing positive to offer and use the ignore function to filter the "static" out of the forum.

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    Actually, Goran Dumb was so butthurt I had him on ignore he invented another troll just so I could see his ignorant posts...

    And it's hardly a sign of mental weakness after reading dozens/hundreds of posts from someone to come to the realization that they simply have nothing positive to offer and use the ignore function to filter the "static" out of the forum.
    he must have been quoting you.

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    he must have been quoting you.
    *yawn*

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    you shouldn't post if you're worried about being quoted.

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