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this makes no sense. duncan is a center.
This list ok with me. To me it's a no-brainer that Dirk is number 1.Best O by far and he is a decent defender now. Putting Amare over Dirk is just silly. Amare could sneak into nbr 5 but is much overrated except among Suns fans who knows from experience that he has limited bb IQ and folds when it matters the most. (They have said this before he left them).
this makes no sense. duncan is a center.
Exactly.
The placement of Timmy at power forward would've made more sense two seasons ago. But, he has been primarily a center for going on two seasons now. Unless someone really wants to argue that Matt Bonner and Antonio McDyess count as centers.
I don't think the arrival of Splitter changes that fact at all. Actually, I see Splitter playing the role of power forward when he's on the court with Duncan. Plus, Duncan doesn't have the mobility nor lateral quickness needed to guard 4s.
His placement at number two is correct, but he's at the wrong position. He's the second best center in the league with only an oft-injured Yao challenging him.
EPIC FAIL
I love Garnett and believe that people often times nitpick his game, while not realizing how great and versatile he has been. But, come on. There is no way that Garnett is a better all-around player than Duncan. You can possibly build a case for him against Kobe and Shaq, IMO.
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I really don't think its fair to put Pau Gasol at #1 when he is the 2nd Option. His job is MUCH more easier to execute because he has Kobe freaking Bryant as his #1 Option.
Timmy, Amare, Dirk and Bosh are/were the leader and #1 Option on their team and they play just as well, if not better than Pau Gasol. So how the is this 2nd Option #1 on the list.
Its amazing how overrated players become by simply switching teams. If it was Bosh or Amare on the Lakers instead of Pau, they would be called the best PF in the game too.
Psh.
bosh is a scrub man, his about even with pau when he leader of the memphis grizzlies...hence has the raptors ever broken the 50win season mark? i know pau grizzlies has and was beatened by the spurs that year who won the ring
Timmy, Amare, Dirk and Bosh are/were the leader and #1 Option on their team and they play just as well, if not better than Pau Gasol. So how the is this 2nd Option #1 on the list.
Psh.
Amare never was the leader of the Suns and certainly needed Nash more than Gasol needs Kobe. Also Amare's poor D and other negatives would be apparent even if he played for the Fakers. Gasol is simply the better player of the two.
Don't worry about this list guys. We all know 03 Duncan wouldof slaughtered (and did slaughter) every other player on the face of the planet. Gasol is younger and in his prime and Timmy is in his twilight. Screw Yahoo's PF list. I'm more interested in this list...
http://www.thesportsjury.com/2010081...rs-of-all-time
Kudo's to Timmy at no.5 all time! Gasol will never get near that.
48MOH has done a detailed comparison of TD and Pau in 2009-10. Worth reading:
http://www.48minutesof .com/2010/...an-tim-duncan/
in 2010 the PF spots should be
1. Dirk
2. Gasol
3. Tim
No shame in saying Tim isn't the best at his position anymore, the guy did the most with the least talent (not to say he had ty squads) this decade.
he is quote unquote washed up. but i'm wrackin my brain of a pf in the league who truly has a better offensive and defensive game. bosh is better offensively at this point, but for sure not defensively. pau isn't and never will be better. again, dirk +1 offense, no d. idk, i can't think of anybody
That's my ranking too.
He had LeBron on all of the SF.What's the deal with Troy Murphy getting scored on in every pic?
True...when Pau was in MEM, he did even more then than he does now, except now he is winning in the 2nd largest media market in the US.I really don't think its fair to put Pau Gasol at #1 when he is the 2nd Option. His job is MUCH more easier to execute because he has Kobe freaking Bryant as his #1 Option.
Timmy, Amare, Dirk and Bosh are/were the leader and #1 Option on their team and they play just as well, if not better than Pau Gasol. So how the is this 2nd Option #1 on the list.
Its amazing how overrated players become by simply switching teams. If it was Bosh or Amare on the Lakers instead of Pau, they would be called the best PF in the game too.
Psh.
Also, Dirk lovers. He has serious game but winning time requires a true inside presence and Dirk loves his outside J too, too much.
TD can't defend anymore either
by the end of next season, it will be obvious to all but the most dense homers that TD isn't even top 5 anymore
I'd go Duncan over Gasol by a hair, but the numbers are close enough across the board to suggest that there really isn't much separation at this point, despite the fact that people seem to think it's a no brainer that Gasol is better.
So long as he has enough left in the tank, there's no reason to think that Duncan couldn't play Gasol to a virtual standstill in a playoff series. I know it was a few years ago now, but in '08 he was beginning to decline and seemingly running on fumes by the time the Spurs got to the Lakers, yet still dominated Gasol. I'm not expecting him to dominate him in '11, but I also don't expect him to be thoroughly outplayed. It's not like there's a significant difference between Duncan of '08 and the current Duncan.
Duncan isn't Garnett. People have got so caught up in the fact that he's not what he once was that they're now underrating what he now is. There aren't three big men who provide a more all around impact than Duncan.
Speaking of all around impact, that brings me to Nowitzki. Mr. One dimensional himself. He has no business being placed ahead of Duncan or Gasol. He's neck and neck with Bosh for third. After those two, I'd put Stoudemire.
Lakers fans, you can't have it both ways. If Gasol is better than Duncan, then Wade is better than Bryant. The reasoning is the same in both cases: Gasol and Wade are in their athletic primes and are more consistent. Personally, I'd go Bryant over Wade by a hair, but statistically there's actually more separation between Wade and Bryant than there is Duncan and Gasol.
Gasol is better than Duncan now, it's pretty clear now. The list is solid except for Dirk getting disrespected
No, it's not clear, that's the misconception I was alluding to. There's nothing clear about it, other than the perception that it's clear. The reality is the numbers suggest they're relatively even and you could make a case for either.
I wouldn't argue with anyone putting Gasol ahead of Duncan, but the notion that it's clear is ridiculous. And like I said, if you're going to call it clear, then be consistent and fair and call Wade over Bryant clear, because the reasoning for Gasol and Wade being put ahead of Duncan and Bryant is similar and in actuality, there's a wider gap statistically between Wade and Bryant than there is Gasol and Duncan.
Nowitzki is far too one dimensional to be considered better than either.
Gasol is better than Duncan right now. We all love Timmy but he's not the same player he once was. Just think how close it is though...Gasol in his prime against Duncan in his twilight. And Gasol barely wins. Its like alot of people saying Wade over Kobe right now, but think about Kobe has mega miles on him like Duncan...and Wade is just enetering his prime. Nobody can last forever. Kobe and Duncan have proved how great theya re and will go down as top 10 players ever. Gasol and Wade? Nope.
Stop being a homer...Gasol is more durable than Duncan now too. He's added some toughness and d since getting embarrassed by the C's in '08. There is no weakness to his game. Duncan is the best PF to ever play, and in his prime he was untouchable, but that time is clearly over. He's still good, but he aint Gasol right now.
Are you ready to admit that Wade is better than Kobe for the same reasons?
When have I mentioned Wade and Kobe (other than this post)? are you making sweeping generalizations?
Just making friendly debate. Duncan is old. So is Kobe. You want to come on a Spurs board and get Spurs fans riled up about Gasol being better. I'm cool with that....doesnt bother me. But lets talk about the icon in L.A. too...Wade is better now. But I dont need to go to an L.A. forum to say so.
Moron's! Tim makes everyone around him better. Gasol is made better by those around him. Imagine Duncan with the Lakers next season and Pau with the Spurs. Who has improved their team??????????????????
Are you ing stupid? The Spurs would easily be better. LA already has a broken down big man down low
Softer? Yes. Better? No. Gasol has it made in the triangle. Here, in S.A., he would get crushed having to play defense.
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