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    The basic difference between me and him is he thinks it is already night, and the US republic is already dead.

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    b_d thinks people power has been eliminated.

    Whereas I think we are still living in the afterglow of the old republic, in twilight. Enough people still have it in their living memory; enough light remains to discern the signposts of freedom within it.

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    b_d thinks people power has been eliminated.

    Whereas I think we are still living in the afterglow of the old republic, in twilight. Enough people still have it in their living memory; enough light remains to discern the signposts of freedom within it.
    how poetic? prosaic? pure fantasy.

    What are the signs?

    How will citizens "take our country back", not from the corporate-corrupted govt, but from the corrupting corps and capitalists?

    The corps are pouring 100 of $Ms into the mid-terms, and they ain't going to the Dems.

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    When employers first started offering health care for their employees, it was to entice people to work. Nobody demanded it, it was just good business. Now with demonrats and unions in control, lib s think it's a right.

    Sorry, it's not. If the employee has to pay more, that employee should still be happy the company he works for pays most the cost still.

    I wish you guys with that en lement at ude would move to a socialist country, instead of taking our freedoms away.

    you all.
    Unions in control? Unions have 7% of the workforce. What control?

    Whatever increase the employee pays, it's out of his after-tax income, while the corps pay for their part of the employee insurance as pre-tax, deductible business expense. So in fact, making the employees pay more is INCREASING TAXES.

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    Whatever increase the employee pays, it's out of his after-tax income, while the corps pay for their part of the employee insurance as pre-tax, deductible business expense. So in fact, making the employees pay more is INCREASING TAXES.
    Someone has to pay the extra cost. most companies pay it willingly. Why should they pay more than when they don't have to pay as much as they do?

    If you talk to HR in various companies, they will often say that they follow "industry standard." They do this as the supply and demand aspect of labor. most companies, unless they want to be dubbed an "Industry Leader," pay benefits very close to their compe ion. To increase benefits, entices a better grade and number of qualified applicants to choose from. However, it means a smaller bottom line, unless they are in a position to raise the cost of their product or services. To give less benefits than the industry standard can yield more profits and/or undercut the compe ions price.

    Now combine that with a labor market filled with qualified applicants. What motivation do they have not to shift more of the health care cost to the employee? Afterall, it's a benefit. Not a right.

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    Prior to '08 the unemployment rate was less then 5%.
    Anyone know what the what the current unemployment % is? The last I read from today's Reuters is 9.6% which is most likely some BS # the Obama admin spewed out.

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    Anyone know what the what the current unemployment % is? The last I read from today's Reuters is 9.6% which is most likely some BS # the Obama admin spewed out.
    wow, ing amazing, as always with you right-wingers.

    Unemployement was low until the (Repug/conservative deregulated/uneforced) Casino Banksters Great Depression hit BEFORE Magic Negro was elected, but the 20% (real) unemployment rate is Magic Negro's fault.

    I thought you right-wingers were Rugged Anti-Social(ism) Individualists who Don't Need No Stinkin Govt Help to create jobs and get the economy purring.

    What exactly has MN done to cause unemployment and what exactly has he done to block you badass RI mofos from fixing the economy?

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    The more employees are impoverished by exorbitant health insurance, co-pays, near-catastrophic deductibles, the more they should support a full-bore, truly- -the-private-insurers Public Option.

    And the Public Option will only pay out based on electronic medical records and electronic claim filing. And Health ID cards will stop sickos from doctor shopping to over-consume prescription drugs to feed their habits.

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    Anyone know what the what the current unemployment % is? The last I read from today's Reuters is 9.6% which is most likely some BS # the Obama admin spewed out.
    I know it notched up a bit, and I think it's 9.8% instead. Now there are different unemployment numbers, and that is only the number of people that are:

    seeking work/(employed + seeking work)... at least I think that's the formula...

    The true unemployment including underemployed and unemployed that stopped looking for work is far higher. Don't ask me to look it up. You can or someone else can.

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    The more employees are impoverished by exorbitant health insurance, co-pays, near-catastrophic deductibles, the more they should support a full-bore, truly- -the-private-insurers Public Option.

    And the Public Option will only pay out based on electronic medical records and electronic claim filing. And Health ID cards will stop sickos from doctor shopping to over-consume prescription drugs to feed their habits.
    Boutons...

    How can you be a total fool?

    Does your employer pay you more when food or gas prices rise?

    Health care is a benefit. Not a right.

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