I'll bet it has to do with his philosophy of risk mitigation.
I don't know, I have seen nothing that he has posted that leads me to believe that he would feel that way. I would be surprised if he felt differently than I do which is, if this is real, it is the Holy Grail of stop gap measures (until truely clean tech develops). I just read their website and it says that it would reduce total lifecycle CO2 by 90% (I am pretty sure that this is the way I read it, maybe go confirm).
That would actually make sense considering they are making fuel from CO2 to begin with.
I was probably wrong.
I don't think he was talking about the process to produce the biodiesel, but the process of that biodiesel getting run through a combustion engine. Burning biodiesel still produces CO2. So if you're looking at this from the "carbon nuetral" standpoint it appears there's still a question of whether the CO2 used to produce the biodiesel is equal to the CO2 that will be produced when that biodiesel is combusted. One would think that it would, but I haven't read up on it yet.
To me, the exciting opportunity here is from the standpoint of energy independence. If there's a CO2 benefit to it, all the better.
If my assumptions of him are correct, he has lived much of his life worrying about risk mitigation of global warming and blaming it on AGW. It wouldn't surprise me if he invested accordingly, making such investments losing propositions.
I wonder what this would do to the Gore fortune, being so heavily invested in carbon credit trading?
No, I was thinking the process produced CO2 as well. I think I was wrong about that one.
There is usually some inneficency involved. The 90% number Drachen posted sounds reasonable.
I agree. damn, I hope this becomes a reality, but I'm not betting on it yet.
Fair enough.
the thing about this is that it would push those "truely clean" techs waaaaaaaaaay back, because with at 10% current carbon emissions, it would take an extremely long time for solar, wind, et al to become greener than that due to the waste produced making and recycling the batteries. Of course, this is just all in my head since I don't have any expertise on the tech of Joule's operations outside of 2 articles and its website. There could be something there that I don't know about. I will look out for an IPO though.
All the lawmakers friends who invested in legislated green technologies would really be ticked.
I don't think the demonrats will let this happen.
Its a small business, neither will the republicans. Oh well, it was a nice dream while it lasted.
I remember in the 70's, a guy patented a method to improve solar cell efficiency and make it from sand rather than crystalline silicone. He couldn't get any money to take it to market. Never learned why. Maybe it wasn't viable, maybe someone of power squashed it.
The ? How the does anyone take this clown seriously? He's talking about people not understanding the technical details he can spout off and he doesn't understand how algae metabolize?
You're such an idiot. Maybe you should go back and reread the fundamentals of the process before declaring it won't work.
It could be 200% less efficient than advertised and still be far cheaper than oil.
OH oh oh, slow down, you are ok, no need to rush in with your pissed off meter stuck at 11. I already got him to admit he was wrong, you can actually slowly back away, gain some composure and comment on the actual OP itself.
And you can kiss my ass. I know you love to play the level headed poster but the rest of us read his bull on a regular basis and get tired of it. I don't give a how you want me to treat WC, but when he stops his repeated pattern of getting things wrong while acting as some sort of expert then my way of dealing with him may change.
There is a reason NO one gives him the benefit of the doubt anymore. Well except maybe you.
I read his posts every day too, but he already admitted he was wrong. What ends could you have possibly been working towards? Getting him to admit he was right? He is already pulled over, he can't pull over any farther. I am not asking you to change how you interact (it would be silly to ask you or many on this board (including myself) to change, talk about a losing proposition), but damn at least take it off of auto pilot every once in a while.
Also, I don't play anything. I am level headed. I am sorry if that offends you but at least my being able to think things through, provide a measured response, and ability to know when I don't have enough information or say when I am wrong is predictable. You don't have to be surprised by it, I am not surprised when you rush in and make all sorts of noise because you are angry. That seems to be your most predictable response. Its alright, I guess, if that is you how you are, then so be it.
Drachen, thanks, but Manny will never "man-up." May as well leave it alone. He thinks I'm so hard headed, and thought this was his opportunity to get me. Too bad he wasn't the first to notice my mistake. Even when Coyote gave me the benefit of doubt, I corrected him. I think this is totally alien to someone who has illusions of grandeur, thinking he's God.
No, I was thinking the process produced CO2 as well. I think I was wrong about that one.
Why are you so butthurt over my response to WC? This is what I don't get. Autopilot? I give him what he has earned. How many people do you see engaging him? There is a reason for that.
Autopilot? You're pretty full of . If that was my response to everyone, you might have a case but as of right now you're just another bag claiming he doesn't want to change how anyone posts while ing and asking them to change how they post.
The chinese will probably produce this for 1/10 the cost to produce here. Then sell cheaper biodiesel so we can't compete with them. They already do a lot of that with wind turbines and solar panels.
Cool idea though...
@MIG:
Drachen isn't too far off suggesting your emotional palette in this forum is rather limited.
Morose, sarcastic and off the charts hostile pretty much sum it up. Like he says, it's mostly the latter. Your targets may indeed deserve it, but everyone else is en led to make of it what they will.
And here I thought I was the pessimist on this idea.
It ain't pretty, Manny. It makes you look like a crank.
I'm just sitting back and laughing.
Of all people you, WH?
I'm fairly certain that during my time here I'ver more than my fair share of "quality" posts. If people coming by now read my rants and think I'm a crank, thats fine.
I'm extremely surprised to hear this coming from YOU, however. Your signal to noise ratio has practically dropped off a cliff as you've lost patience with the likes of Darrin and WC so for you to all of a sudden jump on the "Manny should post better" bandwagon is rather ironic. But I'll be sure to keep that in mind next time I read your responses to Darrin.
You've lightened up some, WC, but you share the fault with Manny. You go right off the cliff, too.
I don't have a problem with the idea, I think it's cool.
The problem is that under the mantra of 'maximizing profits for shareholders/investors' they're going to take up on the offer from the Chinese to manufacture this thing for 1/10 the price, while transferring the tech in the process.
Also, some people confuse how cheap the resulting product could be made vs how much they can sell it for. The bar is fossil fuels, so I expect them to price it as much or more, and try to gain the edge by pitching the 'clean' angle. People seems willing to pay this much for gas, so why sell it for less?
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