HOF Coach Dr, jack Ramsay: Kobe is the best finisher of all time

[elemento]

MJ was better

[mindcrime]

I always thought Kareem was money. Kobe has 28 game winners, and MJ has 23. With two minutes left in the game I'd go with Kobe shooting the rock.

A meaningless stat without knowing how many each actually attempted.

[Giuseppe]

Kobe didn't quit Game 7 against Phoenix.

He quit.

[silverblk mystix]

He meant to say;

Kobe is the best finisher,among rapists, ....

[Sisk]

6-24

[Giuseppe]

I smell skunk.

[Koolaid_Man]

Everyone is inching closer and closer to the inevitable consensus...that Kobe is the best to ever play the game...but for now we'll take the "best closer" line that we've been hearing for a few yrs...the media has spun completely out of control...Kobe was never considered the best except by his peers and league GM's...it's always been "He's the most talented, or the best closer, or the most complete but it's never been he's the best...and for that Kobe won't stop until the media and all other Laker haters bow down and pay...before it's all said and done they shall recognize thy name is Kobe. Whether hating from the comforts of a press box or playing a game of bones in the hood...

[Giuseppe]

^Yep. Bryant is now in the immediate vicinity.

Only an act of God can get it stopped.

[ezau]

6/24

[Koolaid_Man]

6/24

5/7 > 6/24...


I'll let you figure out what the 5/7 represents...

[namlook]

Ramsey is a Hall Of Fame coach. He knows more about basketball than everyone here combined.

[lil_penny]

the great jack ramsey.. if only i was alive to see his work in 76

[024]

i don't know about that... i finish every time.

[lakaluva's camel]

When people say Kareem is the all-time leading scorer they don't ask how many shots it took for him to get there, or how many years did he play.

Why don't you ever wanna ride me anymore?

[lakaluva's camel]

I miss my good ol buddy, lakaluva

[024]

Why don't you ever wanna ride me anymore?

[dbreiden83080]

Hey Jack....

[Obstructed_View]

Dr. Jack must like spooging on the face as well.

[Medvedenko]

Wow, so it begins again. How many damn coaches, GM's, players and people intimitely involved with the game past, present and future exalt Kobe as the goods and regard him in high favour should be enough.

Answer, never enough for the haters. Too bad though, I take educated opinions of HOF types than the s on this site all day and every day.

Retirement is almost over.

[HarlemHeat37]

Unfortunately, the opinions of "NBA people" aren't as credible as they once were, now that technology is evolving, and various types of analysis are presented for the die-hard NBA fan to use..

There are now scouting programs that can be used by NBA fans(very similar to the programs used by actual NBA scouts), there is a continuous advancement in advanced stats that are available for fans, easier access to NBA footage..

The opinions of many of these "NBA experts" are easily disproved nowadays..one of the main problems I have with "NBA opinions" is that their arguments are very simplistic, and they often use unquantifiable points in their arguments.. I don't see why an "NBA expert" can measure "killer instinct" and "will to win" more than certain other people..

I'm not necessarily speaking in regards to the topic of this thread in particular, I'm just pointing this out, TBH..

[TDMVPDPOY]

is he talkin about the load he left in colorado?

[Medvedenko]

Unfortunately, the opinions of "NBA people" aren't as credible as they once were, now that technology is evolving, and various types of analysis are presented for the die-hard NBA fan to use..

There are now scouting programs that can be used by NBA fans(very similar to the programs used by actual NBA scouts), there is a continuous advancement in advanced stats that are available for fans, easier access to NBA footage..

The opinions of many of these "NBA experts" are easily disproved nowadays..one of the main problems I have with "NBA opinions" is that their arguments are very simplistic, and they often use unquantifiable points in their arguments.. I don't see why an "NBA expert" can measure "killer instinct" and "will to win" more than certain other people..

I'm not necessarily speaking in regards to the topic of this thread in particular, I'm just pointing this out, TBH..

Experience is the key to all of this. Stat collecting, analysis and quantifiable figures only get you so far. It's the intangibles that make up the rest. Also, our idea of greatness when distilled through facts and figures is non reliable because standards change every year and what's measured in the past is discounted in the future.

When evaluating the art in athletics, #'s don't hold weight and context is paramount. This is what Jack et all mean when describing players and talent.

This is why I don't get too caught up in figures and stats anymore. Nothing wrong with them and they do always tell a story, however as with any script it's the delivery that trumps the words.

[Obstructed_View]

The NBA "experts" are employed by networks that broadcast the games and are expected to say things to make the largest fanbases happy. The television broadcasters have been using that mythical "finisher" label for Kobe for years. He didn't deserve it then, and he doesn't deserve it now, unless they mean a guy who hogs all the shots in the fourth quarter because he's a glory hound, something Kobe has done since he was in high school.

Seriously, if Laker fans spent more time talking about all the great and amazing things Kobe is there'd be way less debate. Instead they continually try to make him what he isn't.

[midnightpulp]

Kobe will also crap the bed and need to be saved by his teammates. Ramsay has lost it. Yes, Kobe is a great finisher but I think Ramsay is tasting that ass a bit too much. Certainly in the conversation, but Jordan and Bird and their resumes stand on their own in the argument. For what it's worth, even though he was one-dimensional and he's annoying as as a broadcast analyst, Reggie Miller would be high on my list as well. In many situations, I'd want him taking the last shot to finish the game.

Jam with the goods.

[namlook]

It's always the Lakers fans that are delusional isn't it? Problem here is Ramsey is one of the greatest basketball coaches in NBA history and he isn't a Lakers fan.