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    Not Koolaid_Man Homeland Security's Avatar
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    "Yay democracy."

    See, when it comes down to it, deep down you understand that dictatorship is the way to go. Democracy is too flawed, too weak, too obsolete to handle contemporary problems. We need the ability to move forward with decisive action quickly, rather than dithering through the byzantine bureaucracy of parliaments and the ever-mutable opinions of an electorate that can't see past next week.

    Under a right-wing dictatorship, we can:
    1. Silence liberals forever
    2. Destroy the green agenda
    3. Eliminate subversive elements working to destroy our families
    4. Take back control of our educational and cultural ins utions
    5. End wasteful social spending
    6. Establish true safety and security at home
    7. Empower businesses to grow and create jobs through pure market reforms

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    If Obama had been elected at some time in history not coinciding with an epochal financial panic, things would have been much different, true. But he was not, and the additions to the debt and the national deficit during Obama's administration have been in no meaningful sense minuscule.

    What happened or didn't happen in some alternate universe does not justify what Obama is doing in this one.
    ...dramatic much? seriously....Obama saved us from financial collapse and 20+ unemployment...you can put a price tag on that? Your myopic if you think that things would be better today if the whole system had just collapsed...

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    What about the mountain of unfunded liabilities left by past administrations in the way of social programs? Was that Bush's fault too?
    blah...blah..blah....blame the poor....typical.

    Bush turned a projected multi-billion dollar surplus into a very real multi-trillion dollar deficit...

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    NBADan has always had illusions of grandeur. This is nothing new.
    Illusions of granduer.....


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    W4A1 143 43CK? Nbadan's Avatar
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    I know Ive only got 1500 or so posts here because I spend alot of time working at my job as an analyst...I work with stats every day.
    y .......I'm a mathematician... specialize in game theory... So what?

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    W4A1 143 43CK? Nbadan's Avatar
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    Just a smidgen of intellectual honesty is all it takes to grok poll results...well that and a knowledge of polling/survey methodology...much of which I gained in my classes in sociology in college. And no dan, I won't email you a jpg. of my ing degree


    Sociology

    ...that pretty much speaks for itself....

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    ...I won't hold my breathe for you to post anything with meat as I wonder aimlessly on my estate...


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    ...dramatic much? seriously....Obama saved us from financial collapse and 20+ unemployment...you can put a price tag on that?
    We're not out of the woods yet.

    We're still propping up toxic assets and insolvent megabanks and bad mortgage debt still hasn't unwound. The fiscal condition and debt load of the USA is far more perilous now than it was before the panic. It's hardly unthinkable that the rescue you're crowing about now has set us up for an even worse crash down the road. War with Iran just might do the trick. Oil e could easily tip us back into recession.

    Your myopic if you think that things would be better today if the whole system had just collapsed...
    I might have rather have seen our financial system go down in flames than put our future in hock for it.
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    You'd rather have the megabanks and bank receiving companies own our asses for generations to come than see any harm come to them.

    That doesn't make me myopic. It just makes you a faithful toady.

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    Our financial system was insolvent. It was supposed to fall on its face, and we were supposed to fall on our faces too.

    It wasn't just "them." Ordinary Americans got too leveraged out too.

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    Now that we've saved their reckless, improvident, ungrateful asses, whenever the next shock comes we get to save their asses all over again.

    Wouldn't it have been altogether smarter to let the megabanks fail just once, than allow them to do it over and over again?

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    FinReg dog will not hunt. TBTF ain't solved yet, and I'll believe the threat of receivership when I see it. It's way overdue.

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    We're still stuck socializing private risk.

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    It was a ty precedent. Maybe the tiest, ever.

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    Welcome to Obama style Marxism.

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    Sociology

    ...that pretty much speaks for itself....
    Whatever gets you through the night, little fella.

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    ...I won't hold my breathe for you to post anything with meat as I wonder aimlessly on my estate...

    You post a wish sandwich and then ask for meat. Nice.

    I notice you can't defend your asinine spin of the poll. Ok. We understand.

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    Society is a sum of the parts and the stock market is supposed to be our thermometer. When the chasm between perception and reality becomes untenable, a seismic readjustment inevitably occurs, as we saw a few short years ago. The current juncture is complicated by the strong state of corporate credit -- which bodes well for higher stock prices -- but there are so many fragile elements and assumed conclusions that it's difficult to separate what we're feeling vs. what we're being programmed to believe.

    I've written about the two paths; there are drugs that mask the symptoms and medicine that cures the disease. The drugs -- giving the drunk another drink with hopes he doesn’t sober up -- will carry us for only so long before social mood sours to the point of deterioration domestically, internationally or both. The medicine -- debt destruction or reorganization -- will be a bitter pill for asset classes but a strong step towards an eventual outside-in globalization. (Also read The Main Event: Inflation vs. Deflation.)

    The government bought time -- literally -- by reflating markets last year and allowing corporate America to roll out debt and issue stock. Risk wasn't destroyed, it simply changed shape. It migrated from one perception to another, from one balance sheet to the next. Sometimes I feel like I'm taking crazy pills; the imbalances are ulative still and the lessons learned from the previous crisis have seemingly been squandered.
    http://www.minyanville.com/businessm.../2010/id/30287

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    That's right. Independents are going to run those filthy dems right out of office. About a month left?!?! It's been a long 2 years of watching those dems rip our country apart. Obama wasted 2 years of our lives.

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