Why do conservatives hate the ACLU? I don't get it. If ANY group is defending cons utional liberties, it's the ACLU.
Tell me which Founding Father thought the federal war on drugs was cons utional? This article is total bull . None fot eh Founding Fathers supported the war on terror either, or foreign wars of aggression without a declaration of war, or the war on terror. None supported a Fed with the vast powers of today's Fed, including the electronic creation of fiat currency.
I will bet you are wrong. I think they will keep the republicans from passing RINO policies. If enough get elected, the RINO's will not be a majority, and likely not be able to get enough liberal votes to pass legislation without going even farther to the left.
You didn't get it?
Those who like radical leftist policies are afraid of the Tea Party politicians.
The ACLU goes beyond the cons ution and twists it. Uses our own highest law to push agendas.
Please give an example of how it "goes beyond" the Cons ution.
Please give an example of how it "goes beyond" the Cons ution.
Care to give an example?
I can find examples, but I don't have the time. How about a few comedy skits from the "1/2 hr news hr," based on facts.
Non related, but I love this one:
You have to remember that this is a comedy show. You liberals will like the end of this one:
Anyone who hasn't watched this comedy show, here's a bunch of small snippets, almost 7 minutes worth:
He has time to link more youtubes than Darrin on a good day but not time to provide actual proof.
Typical.
I have time to look at things I like to spend my time on. I'm not going to spend much time and get nothing out of it.
This is not my job. Don't expect me to do things like that when I have better things to do. I already spend more time here than I should. At some point, I might. But if you missed the related news items that those skits were taken from, then it's not my fault. Facts behind those cases prove my point, and the skits are comical reminders of the facts.
Lack of desire does not equal lack of time. There's a reason words have definitions.
Because they are told to think that. Same reason why christians think women can get pregnant without ing.
I don't have the time that I am willing to allocate to such a task. Stop splitting hairs Dog.
Why do you always make things up on topics you fail to understand?
Like I said, lack of desire does not equal lack of time. Words have definitions for a reason.
And I explained my usage of time yet you are too stupid to acknowledge it.
Keep you the useless posts. Prove yourself the fool to everyone.
I'm relatively sure that, since they were (allegedly) a comedy show, that the facts were skewed and/or misrepresented.
Please feel free to show me any case where, for instance, the ACLU has advocated outlawing guns.
I think you're not quite sure why you dislike the ACLU, except that you know you're "supposed to".
WC, we're not asking for much. You said that they go "beyond the Cons ution" but don't want to back it up. What else can we think, except that your beliefs are based on not fact but fiction?
And if you're so willing to not be critical about your beliefs in this area, what does that say of other areas?
Why did you make up things about the ACLU, which you fail to understand?
I have heard comprehensive stories of all those incidents in real life before the airing of any of those skits. The skits were not far from the truth.
Two things to keep in mind about the ACLU:
1. The only way to effectively defend cons utional rights is at the outer-most fringes.
The Cons utional Drafters never cared about preserving the popular opinion, because they knew that these views would inevitably find their outlet. The Cons ution was meant to preserve the right of the unpopular and the dissenter to keep his voice in the face of the oppressive majority. This is what PRESERVES DEMOCRACY. Think about that, because its a huge piece of what they do.
Fox news wants those protections reigned in to benefit only the majority that looks/walks/talks/acts/thinks/and speaks like they do. That is exactly what the Drafters understood would happen, and has always happened. And that is exactly why ACLU fights on the fringes, to ensure that the scope of those rights doesn't collapse under the weight of the majority.
This is why the right doesnt like the ACLU...because it keeps their oppression at bay. And they despise outsiders/immagrants/weak/impoverished/muslim etc.
2. For some of these cases,the Plain ff sounds completely detestable (NAMBLA, Sex Offenders, Pedophiles), however keep in mind that a.) Fox didnt tell you the facts of each case, and b.) the Plaintiffs won in those cases. Very likely there is something that these comedy skits is leaving out. It could have been a minor technicality at issue that was in fact uncons utional that got dropped from public policy, leaving in place the larger scheme that most would concede is sufficient to do the job (eg. forcing sex offender to subject himself to DNA testing, instead of simply registering with local authorities). I'm guessing here.
But that would be exactly the type of case the ACLU would take, and should take. Because the claimant is so unpopular, no one else will. And if the ACLU steps in and helps defend the rights of the most unpopular clients, you can be sure that those rights will survive for you and I.
Last edited by Parker2112; 10-02-2010 at 01:43 PM.
BTW, I'm pretty sure all these happened. If I had to guess, I would say these are simply half-truths which dont tell the whole story.
One last point:
While I appreciate Christian symbolism wherever I find it, I dont need the confirmation of my faith in public places.
And I am willing to concede religious imagery being barred on public property if it means that far-right/bigoted/evangelical/bible-thumping heads can't co-opt our country and impose a national religion to opress everyone else.
Though I am Christian, there are tons of Christians who I dont think get the point of the faith beyond a means to form their own elitist movement, and don't appreciate the tenets of the faith beyond using them to bash "outsiders" over the head with them. More oppression. Not the Christian philosophy.
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