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    75 mpg from a production diesel (of course, it's not American. America can't do anymore)

    http://www.wired.com/autopia/2010/10...tories+2%29%29

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    Meanwhile, the can-do Americans:

    "first phase of the national program that will boost fuel efficiency to 35.5 miles per gallon by model year 2016."

    http://www.greenbiz.com/news/2010/10...fuel-standards
    Sure we can:

    Wash. man hopes to drive his homemade car to Mexico on one tank of fuel

    He did make the trip, traveled 1,478 miles from Washington state to Mexico. He got 119.1 mpg with just 12.4 gallons of fuel.

    As for CAFE standards, along with environmental certification for registration, all we are doing is pricing the people with less means out of owning their own transportation, and forcing them to use public transportation-.

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    Capitalism at work.

    Petroleum industry lobby lawmakers and bribe and buy anyone they can to make sure they do not lose their gold mine in America. Keep us with ty gasoline guzzling cars while their for-profit only interests are hurting the population, the environment, and the advancement of human technology.

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    Capitalism at work.

    Petroleum industry lobby lawmakers and bribe and buy anyone they can to make sure they do not lose their gold mine in America. Keep us with ty gasoline guzzling cars while their for-profit only interests are hurting the population, the environment, and the advancement of human technology.
    Well, when the demand of the people to have fuel efficient cars is greater, don't you think the industry will make a supply for that demand?

    We love out sporty and large cars. I'm happy with a Z28 that gets 18 MPG city and 27 MPG freeway. I'm not one who's looking for the most efficient car. Why do people like you want to take away my right to choose?

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    The Germans and Japanese have pretty much perfected small, aluminum, clean 4-cyl diesels, which make a lot more sense for hybrids than gasoline, and they could burn bio-diesel if a source was ever reasonable. These diesels get better mileage now than complex hybrids, and don't have inevitable multi $1000s battery replacement cost.

    But the Americans have been marketed by Detroit to against diesel anything. All the European and Japanese mfrs sell small diesel cars everywhere but USA, primarily because marketing hasn't skewed the public, and high-taxed fuel forces people to think about running costs.
    It's not so much marketing as inep ude. Remember the GM diesels of the 80's? , Ford was shoving Mazda built diesels in anything they could...and they were terrible engines. Diesels haven't achieved the refinement necessary to be accepted by the populance at large until fairly recently.
    I used to own a '82 VW Rabbit Diesel pickup. It would return damned near 45mpg on the highway, but it was the original 98 pound weakling. Passing became an unwelcome game of chicken as I mercilessly flogged that 52hp machine. It was very entertaining tho...you had to drive it like an F1 car just to be able to merge and blend with traffic.

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    It's not so much marketing as inep ude. Remember the GM diesels of the 80's? , Ford was shoving Mazda built diesels in anything they could...and they were terrible engines. Diesels haven't achieved the refinement necessary to be accepted by the populance at large until fairly recently.
    I used to own a '82 VW Rabbit Diesel pickup. It would return damned near 45mpg on the highway, but it was the original 98 pound weakling. Passing became an unwelcome game of chicken as I mercilessly flogged that 52hp machine. It was very entertaining tho...you had to drive it like an F1 car just to be able to merge and blend with traffic.
    What, no love for the Geo Metro?

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    It's not so much marketing as inep ude. Remember the GM diesels of the 80's? , Ford was shoving Mazda built diesels in anything they could...and they were terrible engines. Diesels haven't achieved the refinement necessary to be accepted by the populance at large until fairly recently.
    I used to own a '82 VW Rabbit Diesel pickup. It would return damned near 45mpg on the highway, but it was the original 98 pound weakling. Passing became an unwelcome game of chicken as I mercilessly flogged that 52hp machine. It was very entertaining tho...you had to drive it like an F1 car just to be able to merge and blend with traffic.
    LOL, I remember those. My Father-in-law was thinking about buying one of those VW diesel pickups and we went to the dealership (Rod East Volkswagen?) The salesman was talking to my FIL about how tough they were while I was kicking the tires and checking it out...I pushed down on the back of the bed by the bumper and it went WAY down just leaning on it and then*sproing* bounced right back up...I waited till it got to the top and pushed down again...after doing that about six times I had the bed bouncing like a basketball and the rear tires were literally bouncing off the ground...

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