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Sheed would be broke by the All-Star break had he not retired.
There is a middle ground here, OV.
I think Wojnarowski points out it effectively. Extreme reactions, arguing with the ref, an extended period of muttering or dirty looks or whatever - that is unnecessary. Whining about every call is unnecessary.
But so is not allowing any reaction whatsoever, particularly on a bad call.
And like so many other things, I'll believe it when I see LeBron or Kobe tossed for 'over-reaction' . . .
Sheed would be broke by the All-Star break had he not retired.
the only thing that worries me about this rule is that it will effect the end of games if it enforced as strongly as it is throughout the game. i'm not sure there's anything that can be done to stop a player from having a reaction at the end of a close game if a foul is called or isn't called. with that much on the line, the players are going to react no matter what. hopefully they're more lenient at the end of games.
Anyone who is interested should try sending in a message through NBA.com. Who knows if they get read or not, but even just one short message against this overly-strict rule change could help. Maybe even just send a link to Woj's article; it may not be much but its something we can do.
Here's the link: http://www.nba.com/email_us/contact_us.html
Exactly, the rule change isn't necessarily a bad one, but to allow for no reaction at all is too far.
Players should be allowed to have some reaction in situations where the moment is tense and the game is on the line. I don't want the rule to be taken away, just scaled back a bit.
Nobody is going to be perfect. This is like having rules in school, and having uniforms. They may abide by them, but they're always going to try to find loopholes to get out of it.
If the rule is policed fairly it shouldn't make a difference. The spurs are on the lower end of foul complaining, the Mavs are in trouble however.
WTF... I like it...I am sick and ing tired of watching Tim Duncan, Lebron James, Kobe Bryant cry way to much during a game...I can understand emotion but there is just no respect for the game or the refs for that matter...the is out of control...I remember being religious every night during basketball season and making sure I watched every game on TV...now I could give a ...It seems like the whole world has given the next championship to the Heat...what kind of league is that? , you might as well have the Heat... and then form an NBA league... I think Pop is wrong, it was not good for basketball...Does the NBA have a cap or not? ..some teams are close to 100 million in payroll...come on man...the system is broke...in 10 years, the nba might be done.
the nba is nothing more than wrestling now...
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Union will contest new NBA technical rules: http://yhoo.it/9dVQYc
Union to contest officiating crackdown
By Adrian Wojnarowski
The Players Association plans to contest the NBA’s efforts to curb player complaints about the league’s officiating, union executive director Billy Hunter said Thursday.
“The new unilateral rule changes are an unnecessary and unwarranted overreaction on the league’s behalf,” Hunter said in a statement. “We have not seen any increase in the level of ‘complaining’ to the officials, and we believe that players as a whole have demonstrated appropriate behavior toward the officials.
“Worse yet, to the extent the harsher treatment from the referees leads to a stifling of the players’ passion and exuberance for their work, we fear these changes may actually harm our product. The changes were made without proper consultation with the Players Association, and we intend to file an appropriate legal challenge.”
NBA commissioner David Stern said the league’s market research shows fans want to see a decrease in the on-court complaints and demonstrations by players. Stern has instructed the league’s referees to give players technical fouls for lingering too long to complain or making an overt gesture, including punching the air.
On Wednesday in New York, Boston Celtics center Jermaine O’Neal drew his second technical in two nights for moderately reacting to a referee’s foul call. Kevin Garnett was given a technical moments later for trying to show an official how a New York Knicks player had hit him, and was then ejected for laughing over the legitimacy of that technical.
George wasn't teed up for an initial reaction, and you know it. They allow for an initial emotional reaction but won't stand for anything beyond that. We've been watching crybaby basketball for so long now many of us forget what it was like before. Go watch the Robinson era Spurs when a call goes against them. NOBODY reacts to officials like they do today.
Didn't see the game in question, but I basically agree with what you're saying about complaining in today's game compared to the 90s or 80s. At the same time, the game wasn't called as tightly back then either. Now, with the refs going out of their way to call BS charging calls whenever possible, they're basically rewarding flopping. And by doing that, I think they've softened the game and allowed for so many bad calls, and so its not surprising that the players are crying for every little call because it doesn't take as much to get a foul called anymore. In fact, the goal now seems to be to flop or dupe the refs into a call whenever possible - on offense or defense.
Anyway, Stern's influence in micro-managing the officiating will continue. If he doesn't want the players acting like babies, then he should stop rewarding bad play and make the players earn their fouls and hopefully the game will become more compe ive again.
This post wasn't directed at you OV, but it got me going off on a tangent...
No problem, Truth, but the fact remains that the refs aren't tagging guys for their first reaction in 95 percent of the cases, and that remaining five percent are the guys that do something blatant. I'd be perfectly fine if Duncan got ejected from a couple early games if it got him to stop focusing on his calls and just figure out a way to win.
I won't be surprised when this rule fades into the sunset just like a number of other initiatives and impetuses.
Players are going to go complain about some calls. That's just the way it is. You can't play basketball, give your all, and just accept getting robbed on some foul calls (see George Hill in Mexico).
Some players are chronic complainers and I agree with curbing excessive complaining (Kobe and Tim come to mind) but trying to make the players robots who don't react to horrible officials won't work.
David Stern - for the millionth time - has got it dead wrong. Instead of focusing on complaining, he should focus on better refs. There's no reason in the world Bavetta should still be reffing. He's a horrible referee. I would bet he actually misses 1 out of 4 calls he makes.
There are a lot of other referees who blow calls left and right. Just get better refs and you'll have less complaining.
If the players just all the time, that's what the technical is for. The only reason that it hasn't work in the past is because the refs would only dare give out 1 technical and then after that were scared to throwout someone - especially in a meaningful game.
But I think the arguments and discussion will all go away once the season is a month underway. That's how it usually goes down with Stern's initiatives.
Closer 3 point line - reversed
Closer eye on traveling, palming - let this one go after 2-3 games
K-Mart rubber basketballs - did this even make it to the regular season
David Stern is horrible for the game of basketball. The ironic thing is if he quit ing with the game, he'd make a lot more money because the game would be real and people would watch for authenticity.
Now everything is so watered down and controlled, it's like watching wrestling.
From the article:
"A teaching moment". That kind of thing is why Pop is a great leader and mentor.Popovich said he was happy Bavetta called what could have been a game-altering technical, calling it “a teaching moment.”
“Guys have been running around on the court like that all the time,” Popovich said. “Now you can't do it. You've got to get used to it.”
N.B.A. Cracks Down on Whining About Foul Calls
By JONATHAN ABRAMS
Published: October 14, 2010
In a recent preseason game against the Nets, Boston’s Paul Pierce punched the air in frustration after being whistled for a foul. He then looked around in curiosity after hearing the whistle again. In a cir stance that could repeat itself all season, the official, Steve Javie, had assessed Pierce with a technical foul for his demonstrativeness.
“He was like, ‘Sorry, but that’s the new rule,’ ” Pierce said Javie told him.
The new rule that Javie referred to is an attempt by the N.B.A. to cut down on the whining and muttering, the arm-waving and air-punching, the drawn-out contentiousness that is often generated by foul calls players disagree with. If players cannot keep a lid on the complaining, they will receive a technical.
On Wednesday night, in a preseason game between the Celtics and the Knicks at Madison Square Garden, that new policy was on full display. Officials called four technicals in a span of 16 seconds, with Boston’s Jermaine O’Neal igniting the second-quarter whistlefest. Kevin Garnett received two technicals as he seemed to come to O’Neal’s defense, drawing an ejection before O’Neal even realized what occurred.
“I was still dazed by mine,” O’Neal said.
Six seconds later, the Knicks’ Timofey Mozgov was introduced to the N.B.A. with his first technical foul. He later said he had only spoken to the officials in his native Russian.
Frequent technical fouls are not new for the Celtics, one of the league’s more marketable — and volatile — teams. They ac ulate technicals like points, registering a league-high 107 last season. “It is an emotional game,” Celtics Coach Doc Rivers said recently. “That’s tough to understand when you’re not out there.”
Rivers said he did not think that the N.B.A. needed a new policy to cut down on complaining about calls, that officials “are good enough to know the difference” between normal bellyaching and behavior that is over the top.
But other coaches and players are less critical. Asked in recent weeks what they thought of the new measure, they noted that other rules had been put in place before the beginning of a season and that players had always adjusted.
“I thought it was great,” Cleveland Cavaliers Coach Byron Scott said of the new policy. “I don’t think there should be players that can run up on referees, that can throw punches in the air. There shouldn’t be players blatantly trying to let everybody know that they got hit by slapping their hands and things like that.”
Billy Hunter, the executive director of the Players Association, called the change “an unnecessary and unwarranted overreaction on the league’s behalf” and said the union had seen no increase in the level of complaining. He said the union would file a legal challenge.
The union and others said they worried that the policy would remove some of the game’s natural vibrancy.
“It’s impossible to not show emotion playing basketball,” the Denver Nuggets’ Chauncey Billups told The Denver Post. “Shoot, it’s impossible to do playing golf. And that’s no physical contact at all.”
The league’s veteran players know the officials on a first-name basis. In the search for a bit of leeway, they often talk to officials more often than younger players do. But now they will have to be more careful about their tone and accompanying gestures.
“At the end of the day, it’s letting us as players know we’ve got to have better relationships with referees and we’ve always got to come correct,” Boston’s Ray Allen said in support of the new policy.
The N.B.A. has also raised the fines for technicals to $2,000 each for a player or coach for the first five offenses. They will be docked $3,000 for each of the next five technicals and $4,000 for technicals 11-15. If a player exceeds 15 technicals, he is suspended for one game for every two technicals and draws a $5,000 fine for each additional technical.
As it is, some of the biggest complainers are top players. So what will the reaction be if LeBron James or Kobe Bryant is tossed from a pivotal game for punching the air? “That would be my concern,” O’Neal said.
On Wednesday, when nothing was really at stake, Garnett laughed his way off the court after being ejected for his second technical. Rivers and Knicks Coach Mike D’Antoni each ended up grinning.
O’Neal, a 14-year veteran, said he received his technical after asking the official, Zach Zarba, if he could talk to him after a call. Under the new rules, players may talk to referees if they do not use demonstrative gestures.
But O’Neal said he had barely talked to Zarba before he was whistled. Afterward, O’Neal said he empathized with Zarba, who he knew was following orders.
““I’ve never been given a tech where I just asked, ‘Can I talk to you?’ ” O’Neal said. “And I’m talking about seconds. As soon as it came out of my mouth it was a tech.”
The league said it adopted the stronger policy because fans had complained about the frequent bickering. O’Neal predicted that the league would back off after witnessing the impact of the new policy during the regular season.
“It’s going to make it look like it’s about the officials,” O’Neal said. “If I’m a fan looking at it, O.K., the referees are too big for the players to talk to, to communicate.”
The N.B.A. has sent officials to talk to teams about the new policy. They have the support of the Knicks’ Amar’e Stoudemire, who said the tougher rules made for a “clean game, a fun game.” But others aren’t so sure.
Opening night, meanwhile, is 11 days away.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/15/sp...g.html?_r=1&hp
Where are you getting your stats? It's only been a week and a half of pre season games.
I understand the tech for raising the arms and hands in the air with a look of 'fundamental disbelief' on the face is called the "Duncan tech"
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