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Awesome thread, how did you come up with this idea? I would have never thought of it.
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Awesome thread, how did you come up with this idea? I would have never thought of it.
Dude, c'mon.
Who would have made it instead?
Houston or Memphis. Dallas doesn't win more than 35 games with Pau as their best player. The guy can't lead a team for .
Dirk is the better player by a mile. Pau is the better fit for the Lakers by a mile.
so were you, cubby, out in the jungle inhalin the sweet nectar known as agent orange.
alternatively, also those 5 hall of famers who got taken behind the woodshed by Rip Hamilton and Co back in the summer of 04.
tee, hee.
I agree it's dirk. Pau is the better all-around IMHO, But If you need an alpha male even though he has not rang ...you take dirk.
BUT, and it's a BIG one ...if you want or need post play. which set up the offense, alows the perimeter guys to cut or get open looks. Pau is the player. Plus if you break it down by components look at how they compare:
1. outside/mid shooting Dirk, clearly but dirk is not shooting 3's much and pu has improved here from mid-range but its obviously dirk.
2. Post game. though improved in the post ,it's Pau by a mile.
3. rebounding. very close I say Pau is the better rebounder but i think dirk is more consistent. pau raises his numbers in big gmes or playoffs. Day in Day out Dirk gives you the same numbers.
4. Passing dirk has improved here too. But Pau is one of the best passing big men. Dirk is not asked to create as much as Pau though.
5. Shot blocking - Pau case closed.
6. 1 on 1 neither are impressive but Pau is the better team defender. I would want Pau on a post guy and dirk on a stretch 4. - Pau
7. FT shooting - Dirk by miles and miles
8. Clutch scoring - dirk by miles ...even though people call him a choker
9. Finish a play on the break - dirk but it's closeer than you might think. Pau is pretty nimble for his size. But he is not a great FT shooter. so yo can foul.
10 . basketball IQ ...close but i take pau.
Even though Pau takes the edge in the above with my coaching "eye" ...Dirk can carry a team offensively, and is sucha tough matchup for most teams. Too quick for traditional PF's and too tall with his high release for the hybrid ones ...Plus he is money at the line ... and top of the circle. so despite it ALL I would take Dirk. But if you need a traditional post player you take pau.
disagree Mavs wouldnt make playoffs with Pau instead of dirk. Mavs have talent just much of it aging outside of Roddy ...But i think result is same ass rape by spurs mybe Spurs sweep since Pau was getting sweeped as the alpha male BEFORE kobe ...
this.
Gasol is a great player but he is so damn overrated since he can shine as 2nd banana with the Lakers...
LOL at the points per game peak. If point sppg is such a valued stat Kobe>Dirk>duncan.
dirk is the better player but stats are not the end all be all ....just watch the game and you can see dirk has more impact even if it's more on the scoring side of things than most other areas ...
Dirk won at least 10 games for the Mavs singlehandedly. At least. I mean where he carried the team on his back from start to finish and the only way the team won is because of Dirk. Probably more than that.
Add in the ulative effect of losing and how most of the Mavs role players are extreme front runners who will lose interest and quit very quickly once they're down, and you're looking at a 35-38 win team if you switch Dirk for Pau.
I live in Frisco, i know. that is why I said he was way more clutch. But you give the Mavs less credit to give dirk props here. I saw 60+ Mavs games last year. Kidd, marion, Teryy and Butler have seen better days but to say that team with Pau could not make playoffs is bull . Pau made the playoffs with LESS talent ....do you at LEast admit that?
Reading comprehension would help you right about now.
Nowtizk has a career playoff average of 25.6 PPG vs Gasol's 18.6 PPG.
Dirk is the better offensive player. No contest.
Yeah he made the playoffs in a less compe ive western conference with many more "gimme" wins during the regular season.
Last year damn near every game was a must win in the West. The Mavericks with Pau as their leader would have been nowhere near capable of handling that type of pressure. Dirk bailing them out time and again was the only reason that team was as successful as they were.
35 win team with Pau. At best 39 or 40 wins.
Pot meet kettle. Where I am diagreeing with that? I never said Dirk wasnt the better offensive player numb nuts. Im just saying that PPG playoffs or not does not end the debate or prove who is the better offfensive player even though I have stated that i would take dirk.
Offense is not just scoring. Dwight howard may average more points in the playoffs than pau ...does that mean he is a better offensive player? Lebron scores more in playoffs avarage than Melo does that men he is better offensive player than Melo?
Answer both of those before you speak.
We can agree to disagree but how can this be proven anyway? with Pau the Mavs play a diffrent gam and Caron,Mrion etc would have to take up some scoring slack. But I say they win 47 to 52 ...agree league was a bit weaker at the bottom ...but it's stronger up top so what is the difference?
If you really watched 60+ Mavs games like you say you did, you'd know how ridiculous that statement is.
Some Laker fans loves to contradict themselves. The moment you prop Gasol's value, they'll immediately call Gasol's success as a by product of Kobe's greatness. They'll even go at great lengths to make sure they remind you of Gasol's playoff failures by not winning a single game in Memphis.
But the moment you compare Pau to a bonafide MVP performer like Nowitzki, they'll flip the script and will treat this as in insult. They will pump up Gasol's ability to make a mountain out of a mole and how this skinny dude from Spain is all of a sudden capable of leading a team in the Western Conference to a 60 win season.
You guys set the template. We're only exploiting same.
Crucify 'em yla
I did ...Dirk averages what 25 points? Pau when he played in Memphis avarged like 21 points? when he ws not as good as he is now. Pau would be able to run the offense through the post settiing up buckets for Marion and Caron. You dont think Caron Terry and Marion could not average the difference?
If you really watched 60+ Mavs games like you say you did, you'd know how ridiculous that statement is.
again, i agree Dirk is better .. because if you need a basket and that player can not pass ...who would you rather have the ball? But if pass/shoot is an option i may take Pau.
dirk is the far better FT and clutch shooter so again Id rather have dirk in the clutch.
Though the one time Dirk got to the clutch, he took the pickle.
Pretty harsh to say Pau would have only led the Mavs to 35 wins last year when he led a Memphis team to 50 wins with James Posey as the second leading scorer. In fact the two Memphis teams he led to 50 and 49 wins respectively had far less talent and depth than the supporting cast on the Mavs last year. Now if you want to say Pau wouldn't have led them to as good a record, I wouldn't necessarily disagree. But 35 wins with the supporting talent Dallas has? Wow. I don't agree with that at all.
No one even brought that argument but you, seems like you glanced through a few posts and made your conclusion...
when did I say that? Read my post. I said that Pau could not win a playoff game as alpha, i said dirk is the better player EVEN though i think Pau is better all around because SCORING, REBBOUNDING and STOPS are the key to winning in the NBA. Dirk is better at Scoring, than Pau is better at rebounding or getting stops than dirk. I said dirk is more clutch, and the Mavs would lose more games if swapped.
I think you Kobe haters overrate Pau more than we Laker fans underrate him. Pau not winning even a playoff game without Koe is fact. Much like Kobe needed pau or shaq to win les. Pau is not more valuable to a franchise than dirk.
Jammy, gettin' his F'in award on.
You filthy wretch, you.
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