Gino is our MVP... the idiots who give it to parker
Parker and Manu are playing so well together all we can complain about is who is the true MVP candidate. Ha. They both are thriving under the more open, up-tempo system. Just imagine if they were allowed to play this way together a few years ago when they both were more explosive.
lmao this, u a hater?
You need to watch the Spurs play occasionally. Parker is the unquestionable MVP so far this year for our team.
No Spur is winning MVP any time soon, that is for sure.
Ginobili is our closer. Parker is our MVP. It's odd but that's how it is.
Ginobili has proven to be the most effective closer on the Spurs team for some years now ( , in the entire NBA - not just for the spurs). This assertion is actually backed by facts and figures if you look at his "clutch score" or "super clutch score" ratings on 82games.
Despite the fact that Pop puts the ball in Ginobili's hands at the ends of games, Parker is still the overall MVP of this team thus far. His assists are up, his steals are up, his scoring is up, and he's shooting a phenomenal percentage from the field.
Parker is our guy for the first three quarters. Fourth quarter is Manu time. But without Parker, we wouldn't be in a position to win in the 4th even when Manu does his thing.
'nother quality post from Jester.
its fkn simple
if parker is that great, we shouldnt be playing from behind...
i hate clutch moments as a measure to show how great a player is....great players dont put there teams in that situation where they have to play from behind for all quarters...
as for ginoboli or parker for mvp, none of them are going to win it or even going to be top7 vote getter...
ps. if kobe couldnt win a mvp the year he was caught cheating his spouse, then how on earth is stern going to allow parker to win one this year?
Thanks for posting Diego!
TP an early candidate yes, but he won't get it.
I don't know which team some of you have been watching, but Parker is clearly the MVP on our team so far. And no, I am not a Manu hater. Jestersmash and Cry Havoc put it well. It's just how it is.
TP was 8th in 2009, 15th in 2007 and 9th in 2006
Manu was 11th in 2010 and 10th in 2008
So it's not like all star game. For the MVP voting they got some vote in the past and they weren't as good as this season so far (at least for TP)
If we have a 65+ season, one of them will be top 6 IMO
you've brought these numbers several times now but if you look at clutch time FG % and game winning shot FG %, you will see a huge advantage for parker in those two stats in 82games.com.
the fact is that manu and tony are two great closers (and i'd say that tim isn't that bad either lol) and if the ball is usually in manu's hands it's because he's a better FT shooter than both tim and tony, even if he improved.
anyway, i'm confident with one of those three with the ball in his hands to close games.
but for MVP, i think it won't be a spur and it's quite logical. the Spurs are trully a team and a lot of players contribute with tony and manu as the two best players this season.
anyway, i find it so great to see one of the best backcourt ever. really fun.
Who cares who's most valuable to the team between Tony and Manu, it's just nice to see some Spurs related article is the national coverage...
Tony and Manu are the Most Valuable Backcourt of the league! That's all that matters...
Without Manu, Spurs won´t make the first playoff round. MVP should agree with his contribution for the success of the team. We can imagine a team without Parker and still be succesfull.
Exactly, Parker is playing his best right now...but even at this stage...stats difference between TP and Manu are not so noticeable, check NBA.com, and take notice the mpg also....and we're talking the best Parker....
Manu, apart from the boxscore, contribute a lot of intangibles both in O and D...due to his GENIUS basketball IQ and compe ive character (on par with Jordan imo), only physical limitations wouldn not make him jordanesque more often....
But even with physical and age limitations, he's so clutch because of his IQ and character...
TP could be replaced with any of the freaking athletes good at scoring that are in NBA...Manu or Duncan not...Genius IQ and compe ive character at the same time....is VERY VERY rare in NBA...
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Since ST doesn't have a native smiley for this occasion, I'll have to import one...
How many games have we played this year where we've trailed by more than 2-3 after the first quarter? Our average margin win is nearly double digits.
Parker hasn't been clutch this year? He's taken 4 threes in the clutch and hasn't missed yet. He's had to grind out so many points in the clutch because NO ONE ELSE on the team was stepping up.i hate clutch moments as a measure to show how great a player is....great players dont put there teams in that situation where they have to play from behind for all quarters...
If the Spurs win 60+ and get a 1-2 seed, you bet your ass one of them will be in the top 5 in MVP voting.as for ginoboli or parker for mvp, none of them are going to win it or even going to be top7 vote getter...
No one here has said Parker is going to WIN it. Just that he should be in the running.ps. if kobe couldnt win a mvp the year he was caught cheating his spouse, then how on earth is stern going to allow parker to win one this year?
Really? We can imagine a team without Parker? Who's going to pick up the scoring for the first 3 quarters so Manu can go off late? Who's going to be distributing while staying a huge threat as a penetrating player to collapse the defense? Who's going to force his way to the line to get the other team in foul trouble? You think Manu can do that for 4 quarters?
"Check NBA.com". Basically this means you're too lazy to look up stats yourself, and rather than back up your statement with fact, you just want to hate on Parker. Got it.
Parker picks up the team when no one is scoring. He's also averaging 2 steals per year this year.Manu, apart from the boxscore, contribute a lot of intangibles both in O and D...due to his GENIUS basketball IQ and compe ive character (on par with Jordan imo), only physical limitations wouldn not make him jordanesque more often....
Ah, okay, so IQ = MVP of the team, not how they play on he court. Got it.But even with physical and age limitations, he's so clutch because of his IQ and character...
Please show me how many PGs have averaged 20 PPG on 50% shooting over the past 25 seasons in the NBA. Thanks. And GTFO of this thread until you come back with real stats instead of this subjective nonsense.TP could be replaced with any of the freaking athletes good at scoring that are in NBA...Manu or Duncan not...Genius IQ and compe ive character at the same time....is VERY VERY rare in NBA...
http://espn.go.com/nba/team/stats/_/...-antonio-spurs
Here, have some ing stats:
Parker plays 1 more minute per game, gets the same number of rebounds despite being several inches shorter, averages 7.7 assists to Manu's 4.9, gets MORE steals (despite Manu's genius IQ and defensive playmaking), turns the ball over LESS, and is shooting 54% this year compared to Manu's 46.7%. This DESPITE being the primary scorer for the Spurs through the first three quarters. They're also scoring at basically the same rate, however when you factor assists into the equation, Parker is directly responsible for 36 to 44 points per game, while Manu has a hand in 28 to 36 points per game. Since Tony is getting more assists with less turnovers, his assist to TO ratio is much higher than Manu's as well -- 3.1 to 1.8.
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1.5 min per game, 50% more of what you say, mr stats...
Haven't I said it? physical limitations and AGE....manu had far more rebounds when younger...depite being an 'euro white softie' as many were labeled before in NBA...., gets the same number of rebounds despite being several inches shorter
", averages 7.7 assists to Manu's 4.9, gets MORE steals (despite Manu's genius IQ and defensive playmaking)"
Are you ware that PARKER PLAYS THE POINT? are you aware how much of the time he handles the ball?
Besides, all you mention is offense and THIS SEASON, MAnu was always ahead Tony in terms of effciency rating or PER rating, while Parker scored more and little else.....
Manu has always been FAR BETTER than Tony regarding intangibles coming from his genius IQ (off the ball movements, awareness, knwing when to pull the acelerator and when to slow down and save energy....)....
Manu has always been FAR BETTER AT D also....
And don't say because of age...PArker has improved lately at decision making, but He'll never be near the IQ of Manu at his prime....
BTW, Parker has been unable to show success OUTSIDE SPURS as Manu has achieved...why? simple, because a profilic scorer with just average IQ needs some genius IQ player on the same team, if not, it would become another profilic scorer in a crappy team....as it has happened with PArker in the French NT, where he misses the genius of Manu or Duncan....
Adn don't tell me it's because French NT sucks...because people who follow euro basketball closely, knows that THERE HAVEN'T BEEN DIFFERENCE in achievements in the French NT with or without Parker.....Dirk, Manu or Pau Gasol....have had a big positive impact on their NT teams, Parker didn't....
Are we seriously going to go down this idiotic road AGAIN!!!?? Christ!
cry havoc, I already said i think they're playing on the same level this season, and I don't agree at all with those guys saying you could just replace tony's production with any athletic guard. so I'm not saying manu > tony, but I want to give you some stats (from basketball-reference.com):
manu's TS% is 63%, tony's 59%; you have to take 3's and FT into account.
PER and rebound rate are slightly higher for manu; steals are exactly equal; blocks manu has 0.9% vs 0 for tony; manu has a slightly higher usage rate (which would contradict the tony for 3 quarters / manu for 1 argument); Tony is assisting much better than manu and taking care of the ball a little better than manu.
the point is, they are very even, and the stats you posted don't tell the whole story.
You can think what you want bro' but you know about FNT and honestly I'm not sure about you following closely euro basketball
"THERE HAVEN'T BEEN DIFFERENCE in achievements". Limit your takes on the NBA.
Maybe we could just agree on that and stop the drama...
The health of a lot of ego's in this thread riding on who's favorite player is considered better or more important. Just saying
http://www.nba.com/2010/news/feature...s=iref:nbahpt1You can think what you want bro' but you know about FNT and honestly I'm not sure about you following closely euro basketball
READ, and learn a little, why Manu is ahead of Parker is they're so even in stats? the X factor, the intengibles (btw, MAnu has always been better at D)......people who analyze basketball tend to know about it.....READ
Did I say that Manu is not ahead of parker ? For me they are the best backcourt in the nba and the spurs are winning I'm a big fan of both. Manu and him are playing great. I honestly don't care about who is the best and who has the most intangibles, I'm just glad they play for my favorite team.
Once again you can think whatever you want it's your opinion now your BS about FNT is funny because you know nothing about French bb.
I know France got a silver medal in 2000 olympics....there aren't scrubs in such NT (not even today, last time I checked...they have more NBA players than any other nation outside USA in their roster)....my point is that Parker with a very powerful roster, hasn't been able to get the level of achievements gotten by players like dirk (a 3rd place in a World Cup with really crappy German NT), Pau Gasol (World Champ) or Manu Ginobili (Olympic champ)...that's the point....
Once again you can think whatever you want it's your opinion now your BS about FNT is funny because you know nothing about French bb.
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