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    I don't know if I want to make another major deadline trade again and up chemistry. I could see us getting iggy and Iggy not fitting in at all and then hear the whole "Once he gets a training camp under his belt everything will be better!" thing all summer.

    Roddy you do have a point with. He has to be a consistent scorer without ing up the chemistry we have going now too much. Rick has seemed to actually find a solid, consistent rotation (crazy for him) and how is that going to change once Roddy comes back?

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    I still don't believe in Roddy. He played amazing last year when given minutes, but I will have to see it again.

    He certainly has the skill set, but sometimes coming back from these injuries takes something out of you.

    He would definitely go a long way (if he plays/grows from last year) to helping the Mavs offense out. They really need another legit play maker who can spread to the floor and actually get to the rim and finish.

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    Nope, you are on a collision course with a purple and gold dump truck. You asked for it, and you'll get it.
    The only reason I'd be hesitant for that matchup is because some flukey always happens when SA plays LA, to SA's detriment...and I spend months getting over it.

    I'd end up putting Ln and mid to shame w/ the amount of anti-LA propoganda I'd flood this board with.

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    I don't know if I want to make another major deadline trade again and up chemistry. I could see us getting iggy and Iggy not fitting in at all and then hear the whole "Once he gets a training camp under his belt everything will be better!" thing all summer.

    Roddy you do have a point with. He has to be a consistent scorer without ing up the chemistry we have going now too much. Rick has seemed to actually find a solid, consistent rotation (crazy for him) and how is that going to change once Roddy comes back?
    I have a lot of faith in Roddy because how consistently good he was EVERY time his number was called and he was actually given minutes. He'd come in the game at any random point after not having seen the floor in some time and nonchalantly come in and start beasting like he never missed a beat. As for your question, the rotation will just have to grow by 1 when he comes back, preferably cutting into Barea's minutes because the man is just too talented to be held back another year.

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    I still don't believe in Roddy. He played amazing last year when given minutes, but I will have to see it again.

    He certainly has the skill set, but sometimes coming back from these injuries takes something out of you.

    He would definitely go a long way (if he plays/grows from last year) to helping the Mavs offense out. They really need another legit play maker who can spread to the floor and actually get to the rim and finish.
    Im interested to see how he can fit in the offense. Its gonna be tough without a training camp and being out for so long. When we played him last year it was usually like "Ok, we are losing. Give the ball to Roddy and get out of his way". I want to see how effectively he can fit in the flow of the offense and still be a scorer.

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    If that's your assessment of Iggy then I can't really help you. Iggy creates shots for himself, Marion can't create a shot to save his life, for starters..
    Iggy can get to the rim by himself. You don't want him shooting outside the paint. Keep in mind, 2009 shawn Marion could get to the rim.

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    Iggy can get to the rim by himself. You don't want him shooting outside the paint. Keep in mind, 2009 shawn Marion could get to the rim.
    Nope, 2009 Marion never got to the rim on his own. He got SHOTS at the rim off a Nash pass or a putback. Dude's never been able to take his man off the dribble in a 1on1 situation and score the ball. Closest thing he has to an offensive game is that hideous turnaround fadeaway hook shot hybrid.

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    we good

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    Iggy, even though he can't shoot that well (not terrible and he can at least hit a 3 every once and awhile unlike Marion), would help the Mavs because he can handle the ball. He can dish it out very well, has pretty good vision and can get to the rim. He is actually versatile unlike what on paper appears to be versatility (Marion/Caron).

    He is also a very solid defender when focused. It would be interesting to see how Iggy does when he is a true 2nd option getting to play alongside a guy like Dirk.

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    Nope, 2009 Marion never got to the rim on his own. He got SHOTS at the rim off a Nash pass or a putback. Dude's never been able to take his man off the dribble in a 1on1 situation and score the ball. Closest thing he has to an offensive game is that hideous turnaround fadeaway hook shot hybrid.
    You do realize Shawn Marion wasn't with the Suns in 2009, right? And when it came down to shots at the rim, their %assisted stats were almost identical. With Marion creating slightly more offense on his own, about 71%assisted to Iguodala's 73%assisted.

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    You do realize Shawn Marion wasn't with the Suns in 2009, right? And when it came down to shots at the rim, their %assisted stats were almost identical. With Marion creating slightly more offense on his own, about 71%assisted to Iguodala's 73%assisted.
    yeah serious slip on my part, what i was referring to was prime marion not even being able to create his own shot, much less Toronto/Miami/Dallas version. I'm not much for advanced stats, so I'm not sure really what to say to that stat or how to explain how it isn't really telling, but just from watching the game one can tell that Marion cannot create his own shot. I mean feel free to posts some video's of Marion taking his man 1 on 1 and creating offense. But it's my opinion that the man could never really dribble or shoot at all until I see it.

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    Also, is catching a pass in transition, taking 1-3 dribbles and dunking it considered an "unassisted" shot at the rim? Stuff like that could be where it is flawed, but you can't sit there and tell me that Shawn freaking Marion was ever capable of creating his own shot.

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    Also, much of Marion's points are hustle points and putbacks. I don't consider getting a rebound and putting it back up for an easy 2 to be "creating offense" although technically it's an unassisted shot at the rim.

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    Watching Mavs fans get their usual regular season chub is always amusing.

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    kinda like spurfan before the Mavs bukkaked them in san antonio

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    4 rings gots

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    trolled

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    Trolled and told

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    yeah serious slip on my part, what i was referring to was prime marion not even being able to create his own shot, much less Toronto/Miami/Dallas version. I'm not much for advanced stats, so I'm not sure really what to say to that stat or how to explain how it isn't really telling, but just from watching the game one can tell that Marion cannot create his own shot. I mean feel free to posts some video's of Marion taking his man 1 on 1 and creating offense. But it's my opinion that the man could never really dribble or shoot at all until I see it.
    We're arguing 2009 Shawn Marion vs Iggy right now, so it's not really anything more than me implying you need a real scorer. Iggy is an upgrade over the current Shawn Marion, no doubt about it.

    As far as 2009 Marion taking anyone off the dribble, it happened when he would spend time at PF. Marion was also good at getting to the rim by spotting up for three and then driving the lane after the ball rotated to him.

    Either way, it would be an upgrade to get Iggy, I just don't see him being the type of scorer Dallas needs to pair with Dirk. Teams don't want the ball in Dirk's hands at all...with Iguodala, they'll gladly let him have the ball and give him the 15 foot J.

    Tbh it's been a very bad year so far for Iggy because Philly wants to move on and hand the team to Turner and Holiday. The difference is one of them chokes in the playoffs harder than the pickle breath brothers choke on pickles, while the other one has been decent in limited playoff action. Using Iggy's averages this year and ignoring his career averages is re ed.
    There's a reason Philly wants to move on.

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    We're arguing 2009 Shawn Marion vs Iggy right now, so it's not really anything more than me implying you need a real scorer. Iggy is an upgrade over the current Shawn Marion, no doubt about it.

    As far as 2009 Marion taking anyone off the dribble, it happened when he would spend time at PF. Marion was also good at getting to the rim by spotting up for three and then driving the lane after the ball rotated to him.

    Either way, it would be an upgrade to get Iggy, I just don't see him being e type of scorer Dallas needs to pair with Dirk. Teams don't want the ball in Dirk's hands at all...with Iguodala, they'll gladly let him have the ball and give him the 15 foot J.



    There's a reason Philly wants to move on.
    I'm not saying he'd be a savior, just an upgrade in a way we need the most. (Attacking the rim and perimeter defense) Paired with Roddy's return, it would definitely take a load off Dirk and make us more athletic and even better defensively.

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    im pretty sure JaG has never watched marion if he thinks marion ever created his own shot
    Im pretty sure i saw quite a bit of him in his prime during the Spurs' annual 7-game playoff series with the Suns. Disagree with my last post where i told you how he created offense on his own.

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    if that were the case you'd know how crappy he really is when it matters
    I didn't see you disagree with how I said he created his own offense.

    And of course i know he sucks. Evryone on Spurstalk was clowning the trade and his ridiculous contract. And mav fan tried to convince everyone that he'd bring 15 ppg, be a huge defensive upgrade and add much needed athleticism to the roster.

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    That might be the only way Marion ever created his own offense but it still doesn't mean he ever created very much offense. Marion is kind of re ed offensively. Never seen an NBA player who couldn't shoot or dribble. Just an athlete.

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    I disagree with it. He created his own offense in D'antoni's system just like Barbosa did. He ran a gimmicky system that got weird matchups that made scrubs like marion and barbosa look better than they really are.
    2009 Shawn Marion looked good enough to get signed to a $39M contract and get a trade offer from Dallas. And i don't think that had anything to do with D'Antoni.

    I really don't care, either way. It'd be interesting to see Iggy play with Dirk, and I'd rather not see the Mavs upgrade at all. But if you put all the options on the table with Mark Cuban's crazy money and impulses, if i were mav fan, Iggy wouldn't be the type of player I would want Dallas to make a push for. And as a Spurs fan I'd rather see Iggy in Dallas than a young scoring SG.

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    is Cubes gonna raise the Streak Busting banner ??? Typical Mavs during the regular season.


    they are playing great ball nonetheless ......

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