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    🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆 ElNono's Avatar
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    BTW, that article from 2002 is fairly dated. At this point it is already known what causes stem cells to "transdifferentiate", and how it can be inhibited, among other things.

    (No knock on its entirety, thanks for posting)
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    Uh? The first step with adult stem cells is to induce them into a pluripotent state, which basically means turn them into their embryonic equivalents.

    Whatever results you get from adult stems cells you can obtain from embryonic. You're just adding an extra step (which obviously cost money and time).

    Embryonic stem cells are basically pluripotent from the get go, and arguably better suited to do actual stem cell research. It's just hard to develop results when funding to do actual research on them is basically banned, whereas adult stem cells do not have that limitation.
    Not true.

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    Are we supposed to take your word on this?

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    What part?

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    Tough talk from the GOP during the election season regarding funding cuts and making govt smaller .... I guess it's difficult to defend your policies when they start to cost lives...
    I see. So I can conclude that this just started happening, right? I mean, nobody was denied a transplant prior to this.

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    keep asking questions George Gervin's Afro's Avatar
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    I see. So I can conclude that this just started happening, right? I mean, nobody was denied a transplant prior to this.
    Before the budget was cut? His transplant was going to be covered prior to the budget reduction... so if your question is, has anyone ever been denied a transplant because of the budget being reduced? then I suppose it is a no.

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    Before the budget was cut? His transplant was going to be covered prior to the budget reduction... so if your question is, has anyone ever been denied a transplant because of the budget being reduced? then I suppose it is a no.
    I'm pretty sure a lack of money has probably prevented a transplant before, GGA.

    It's nice that you can pin it on a specific legislative initiative tho. I'll bet if you try real hard, you can find where the reduction was a result of the loss of federal funding. That is if you want to.

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    keep asking questions George Gervin's Afro's Avatar
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    I'm pretty sure a lack of money has probably prevented a transplant before, GGA.

    It's nice that you can pin it on a specific legislative initiative tho. I'll bet if you try real hard, you can find where the reduction was a result of the loss of federal funding. That is if you want to.

    So did the feds decide to reduce that portion of the budget? Or was it the govornr's office who decided? You do realize she, brewer, initially blamed it on obamacare..?

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    People get sick and people die. There isn't an unlimited amount of money to perform these procedures. It may be sad - but it's a fact of life.

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    There isn't an unlimited amount of money to perform these procedures.
    the amount of money pulled was $1.4 million...

    or is it a matter of principal for you?

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    the amount of money pulled was $1.4 million...

    or is it a matter of principal for you?
    Budget cuts have to start somewhere. People are so quick to say "it's just a drop in the bucket, not going to make a dent in the deficit". Well, add up several drops, and you start getting a significant amount. No one wants to see cuts - but somewhere, somehow, the spigot has to be turned off!

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    People get sick and people die. There isn't an unlimited amount of money to perform these procedures. It may be sad - but it's a fact of life.
    So you're saying there has already been rationing of health care and, in effect, death panels.

    Thanks.

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    Embryonic Stem Cell Research has not produced any positive results for anything. Adult Stem Cell Research, on the other hand (and not opposed by the GOP) has.
    Ironic thing about that:

    It is quite easy to blame governmental interference and red tape for that lack of progress, two things you are generally opposed to.

    Yet you praise the results of that red tape when you find the cause emotionally appealing.

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    Oddly enough studies have found that the majority of health care spending in a human's lifetime comes in the last 10 years of that life. If memory serves that factoid said something like 75%. I can see if I can dig it back up.

    That said, counties with low expenditures on health care have things like requirements for people to consider end-of-life care and how much effort they want spent on keeping them alive.

    Most people, if they really sit down and consider/think about it, don't want to be kept in an semi-vegatative state for years. Often it is a distraught relative or overly cautious doctor who ends up making the decision to leave someone on expensive life-sustaining treatment that does little but prolong misery.

    I think we can easily make health care more affordable for everybody by simply mandating or requiring people to have such counseling.

    Yeah, I want the nanny state to force everybody to confront their own death. It is a lot cheaper for everybody that way, if you don't like it, then suck it, and take the counseling anyways, because I don't want your poor decision making to steal money out of my pocket.

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    Budget cuts have to start somewhere. People are so quick to say "it's just a drop in the bucket, not going to make a dent in the deficit". Well, add up several drops, and you start getting a significant amount. No one wants to see cuts - but somewhere, somehow, the spigot has to be turned off!
    You could easily start them somewhere where lives don't depend on it.

    With the current inflated cost of care, I agree that rationing has been unavoidable and will probably get worse as time goes on since cuts will inevitably continue to happen, but I also think sometimes the priorities have been misplaced. $1.4 million is probably a grant or two of pork for some interest group. That should be the first line of cuts.

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    Oddly enough studies have found that the majority of health care spending in a human's lifetime comes in the last 10 years of that life.
    Which makes the health insurance scam bigger than ever. Once you're old enough, they won't assume the risk anymore and dump you to the government.

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    Which makes the health insurance scam bigger than ever. Once you're old enough, they won't assume the risk anymore and dump you to the government.
    Mostly right. They will simply jack the premiums and deductibles up to the point where you are paying for most of it out of pocket. My parents are in this boat.

    Recent studies of baby boomers show they are generally far behind in saving enough for retirement, and that trend will, in my opinion, be very likely not reversed. I would guess it will accelerate.

    This means more and more will be forced onto Medicare/-aid's rolls.

    Get ready for it.

    Tax increases or benefit cuts are inevitable. Stories such as the OP will become more common.

    People are going to die for lack of ability to pay for some needed health care or other, and that number will be bigger than many will believe.

    If you don't think that will happen, I have some mortgage-backed securities for you.

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    People are going to die for lack of ability to pay for some needed health care or other, and that number will be bigger than many will believe.

    If you don't think that will happen, I have some mortgage-backed securities for you.
    I believe that has been happening for a while now. I agree it will only get worse if we stick with the status quo or the crap that was passed the last time.

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