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I wouldn't put Nash in the top 5, regardless of stats, just for the fact his team is not winning. IMO the most important stat when discussing top pgs, is their W & L record. Is said pg making his team better, or just filling out the boxscore?
Probably what gave me the wrong impression...
I wouldn't put Nash in the top 5, regardless of stats, just for the fact his team is not winning. IMO the most important stat when discussing top pgs, is their W & L record. Is said pg making his team better, or just filling out the boxscore?
Help defense
1. Rondo
2. Kidd
3. Paul
4. Westbrook
5. Not sure it's close ...
Roddy b #1
So far before I check out ...I will come back later to rate the categories I missed and see if we have any new thoughts ...
Overall:
1. Dwill
2. Paul I'm leaning towards flipping him back to #1
3. Rose
4. Rondo
5. close between Parker, Westbrook, Nash etc.
I think Rose is the best star or "player" but looking at the criteria it is hard for me to NOT choose Dwill and Cp3 as my top 2 PG's ...
Parker is really good at pentration, running the spurs system, and as 1 man fastbreak.His jumper has improved immensely (something rondo needs to be top 2)People do not give him enough credit .... but don't think he is better than the top 4 guys here.
seriously tho...
1. DWill
2. Rose
3. CP3
4. Westbrook
5. Parker
6. Rondo
i know its homerish, but i think if the spurs trade TP for Rondo, they get worse.
as soon as Rondo gets a consistent jumper, he's top 3 no question. but i just cant put a guy in the Top 5 when teams gameplan to make him the scorer.
Top tier Williams and Paul
2nd tier but still damm good - Rose, Parker (by far the most accomplished with highest winning percentage, a finals MVP, and also has several seasons with near historical FG shooting percentage number, and Rondo
3rd tier but still damm good -Nash, Kidd, and Westbrooke
it is funny how Parker often outplays so many of those ranked above him the one exception being Williams who is just so strong. http://dimemag.com/2009/09/whos-bett...r-tony-parker/
Another one:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...ed-point-guard
Just one of many articles that get that Parker is undoubtedly the most under-recognized great PGs - if he had 3 les with the LAL or Celtics he would be all over the news daily.
Here is another one a couple of years back that had Tony Parker above other noted PGs in critical areas:
http://www.82games.com/comm5.htm
LOL see above ...
Rondo must be MILES better than Nash
OR, Rondo is surrounded by an all-star team (at least at one point in all of their careers)
What separates Rondo from the elite is his shooting. That dude needs to develop a jumper fast, I just don't know how he hasn't already after so much basketball.
Nash is still a great pg, but i can't put him in the top 5 because of his teams record.
I agree the top 4 are on a different tier... I have no problem how you sort them out, they all are exceptional. After that, a lot of the rest are pretty good too within that second tier.
Yeh say that next time Parker goes through the trees against LAL with impunity.
If he was on LAL you would drool over him.
This isn't a power ranking, it's a ranking of the 5 best point guards in the league. Much like the top 5 teams in power rankings are not the top 5 teams in the NBA.
Steve Nash and the Phoenix Suns are not synonyms for the record. Nash is shooting 52% scoring 17points and 11 assists per game, without Amare! I used to think half of his assists were via Nash-Stoudemire pick and roll, but the dude hasn't stopped producing even though it's a much changed team. Other than the obvious CP3, Dwill, Rondo/Rose, who else is better than Nash?? Parker I'd say is pretty close to equivalent in terms of all around players, but if we're debating who the top point guards are, I don't think there are many more better than Nash.
1. D- Will
2. C. Paul
3. Rondo
4. D. Rose
5. Westbrook
Nobody else is in the conversation
this must be a joke
without nash, the suns are a dleague team
recall when they went from a 20 win team to a 60 win team instantly with his signing? dude most definitely has a huge effect on his teams success. and they have consistently been good despite losing key guys like Marion, Raja Bell, Joe Johnson, Boris Diaw, etc...
Overall:
1) Paul
2) Rose
3) Rondo
4) D Will
5) Parker
nash just does not get the respect he deserves. i put CP3 and DWill ahead of him, but not by much. i still think that a good argument can be made for nash still being the best PG in the NBA. no PG has the heart or clutch ability that he has. he is the most complete offensive PG the NBA perhaps has ever had. may not be a great defender, but fact is, most PGs arent good defenders. there are very few truly good defensive PGs, and most of them arent anywhere near Nash's league in terms of leadership and what he provides on offense.
Rondo over D Will overall?
brooks blows. hes getting upstaged by lowry. awwww my ankle makes me shoot .200 and have no assists.
id pretty much agree with this, except for Rondo. after the way he was exploited so badly last year in the finals, i think that proved that against elite teams in a playoff series, until he improves his shooting ability, he will never truly be a deadly weapon on the level of a guy like CP3, D-Will, or Nash.
nash is getting massively underrated
rondo is getting massively overrated
It's hard to really answer the question, but if you put Tony Parker on the Jazz, Hornets, or Bulls, does he put up the same numbers and are the teams as good or better than they are now?
I think the answer would probably be yes if you put him on the Celtics because the balance and depth of talent is so good that the different things the Celtics would lose from Rondo can be made up for by the other players on the team. Pierce and Garnett can take on the role of playmaking more. And the team defense would have to step up a little more, especially interior defense on guard penetration.
But could Tony Parker replace Deron or CP3 or Rose and still be in the conversation of top 5 PGs? Tough to answer.
http://offthedribble.blogs.nytimes.c...t-point-guard/
Eliminating Rose, Westbrook, Kidd and Nash leaves us with four candidates: Tony Parker, Chris Paul, Rajon Rondo and Deron Williams.
Using advanced stats these were this author's "best of the best" with Paul by far best of all. He eliminates Rose due to his lack of a body of work by the way which may or not be fair and does the same to Westbrooke.
goddammit stop posting stupid
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