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JJ was great on offense, but if sagging and letting tony shoot wide open jumpers is not good d, it's just bad o.
This just in...the Spurs scored 106 points tonight and missed 12 FT's...
Pop's offensive decision making was not the reason we lost...and I never like seeing Beno come in for Parker in these playoffs...
This loss is not on Pop.
It's on the Spurs players...and mainly Duncan.
JJ was great on offense, but if sagging and letting tony shoot wide open jumpers is not good d, it's just bad o.
Yeah whott, in a quarter we got smoked by 14 while Tony clanged away bad shot after bad shot, there was nothing wrong with our offense.
Um....we got smoked because the Suns scored 36 points in that quarter.
You are truly an Aggie tool if you think we are supposed to score a 120 points nightly.
Did you really want Beno out there? Do you really think he would have made a 14 point difference?
He didn't have to make a 14 point difference. Just six. And he was playing better than Parker tonight for significant stretches.
Anything's better than 6 bricks, 2 turnovers, and a minus 14 while on the court.
Aggie tool? Look in the mirror, considering you're the president and founder of the Brent Barry excuse society.
So basically...you are ripping the Spurs for not scoring 36 points rather than giving up 36 points...got it.
Whottt is on fire today.
Welcome back.
I am sorry but I just couldn't leave this alone...
What in theeeee makes you think this:6 bricks, 2 turnovers, and a minus 14 while on the court. could have been prevented by Beno? Because he finally had a game where he didn't cause a nine point swing in 2 minutes?
He most certainly could have done worse...in face he has done worse...many times in these playoffs.
You are insane.
And on the subject of Barry...
A. You have defended Barry almost as much as I have...and you took credit for getting his back all season after that Phoenix game too...Stance Changer.
B.Who didn't get major PT in the 4th this game that did in every other victory against Phoenix?
Who hasn't missed a 4th quarter shot against Phoenix in these playoffs yet(although I think he finally missed one tonight? Who came up with 9 points in the final 2 minutes and OT of that big Phoenix win?
So you see...I most certainly could have ed and blamed Pop...you know why I didn't?
Because we didn't lose because of not playing him, I'd be ripping Pop if I thought we did...we lost this game because of Duncan's performance at the FT line. Pop had nothing to do with this loss and in fact I was quite pleased with his decision making tonight. If everyone had brought their A game as much as he did, we'd have won.
But go ahead and rip Barry all you want...I mean after all...he didn't score 15 points on 60% shooting in the 10 minutes of PT he got tonight...
Last edited by whottt; 05-31-2005 at 01:59 AM.
Aggie.. u gotta look at defensive schemes also. I think Parker guarded Nash best on pick and roll. Plus the fact that Beno is not really a great sub for Parker. I am not comparing subbing Manu instead of Parker, because they play 2 different positions.
Games are not won in the third, there are four quarters. Bottom line freethrows cost them the game.
Okay Whott, you're wrong, I'm right, Barry is an All-Star, blah blah blah.
As for Beno in the third:
All he had to do was not make two of Parker's bonehead turnovers, and pass one of Tony's bricks to one of Manu, Horry, or Bowen.
Spurs win.
Or are you trying to tell me that when this team went to and got whipped by 14 points in a quarter, that didn't matter in the grand scheme of things.
This isn't about the Spurs scoring 36 in a quarter. They played Phoenix pretty much even in the first and fourth, outscored Phoenix by 10 in the 2nd, and lost the third by 14. Game over.
Phoenix gained its final margin in the third when Parker was ing up left and right. There's even two articles by Express-News people highlighting it, but I guess they don't know what the they're talking about either.
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I won't be surprised if it was by design. A sweep would be sweet, but the Spurs will be overconfident, and I actually think 7 days of rest is way too much for the Spurs. Given the 2-3-2 format in the Finals, losing Game 1 at home because of too much rest (that really could happen) would be devastating.
Come on DUCKS Tony is a GREAT PLAYER, but as human being, sometimes, he must realize when he has a bad night, this is the only critic you can take seriously; but for sure "the kid" will learn and will improve.
Yeah, they could join the '79 team that blew a 3-1 lead to the Bullets and lost.
Nice move, Pop. <eyes rolling>
Archive this: If they lose this series because Parker pulls another Lakers series of 4 crappy games, look for trade talks in the offseason for a stud SF while Beno, a more conventional PG takes over.
Big suprise. The Spurs lose and AHF is calling out Pop.
There maybe 24928392830282093820938 reasons why the Spurs lost that have nothing to do with anything Popovich does, and this dumbass will start a thread about the 3 that do. Had he sat Parker, and the Spurs still lost, he would have ed about not sticking with your best players.
Tony Parker has gotten it done this entire series. There was no reason to bench him even after some bad play. You go with the guys that got you here to begin with.
But the bottom line is that they lost this game due to poor transition defense. They gave up more 3s in that 3rd than I've seen in quite awhile. The only times they've looked like a worse team than the Suns is when they give up those 3s and allow Phoenix to score in a bunches. Big bunches.
All in all, you chalk it up to a bad menality coming into the game, missed freethrows, and a general lack of effort. I would hate to be Pheonix in game 5.
They kept feeding the ball to Duncan down low late in the game with about 2:36 left in the fourth period. He was missing some and getting fouled at the same time, that is where Pop should have went to Manu to drive and get the foul to make the free throws. It was that simple!!!!
I thought Pop made some bad decisions last night and got a little too hard-headed with trying to impose the Spurs' will on a night when the players weren't executing the Spurs' game plan. I also didn't notice Pop missing any free throws, failing to rotate to 3 point shooters in transition, or allowing Amare to come up with several key offensive boards in the 4th quarter. Those are on the players.
Still, whether you put it on Pop or the players, or some combination of the two, I take solace in the fact that Phoenix shot almost 60% for the entire game, the Spurs shot under 50% from the line and got very little from Duncan and Parker, and the game still came down to possessions with less than a minute to go. Get an offensive board on the Suns' last shot (8 seconds or so to go) and you have the ball and chance to force overtime on a night where everything seemed to go the Suns' way.
I'm disappointed that the Spurs' lost -- particularly after making that run to end the 1st half only to crap it away with soft play in the 3rd quarter -- and there's a lot that needs to be corrected, but it's not like the Spurs were miles away from getting that game. If Pop can make the corrections that must be made after last night and get his team to play with some passion and fire for 4 quarters, they have a good chance to end this in 5.
Pop's decision for the Spurs to miss their free throws was an unorthodox tactic that clearly backfired. Look for a reversal of strategy on that one. Look for him to call more "make the shot" plays as well, instead of the "miss the shot" plays that he was calling for much of the second and third quarter.
Coaches don't shoot the ball, although I think the way the Spurs were shooting last night Pop could have gone in and hit better.
MABE and just mabe
Pop played Parker the time he threw bricks and the 10-0 run because, as i read in this forum, the matchup parker-billups would be very important if it ever ocurred
Mabe he wanted the boy to get more play and figure the things out for himself
but again, this is only a mabe
I would like to clarify something regarding the bad transition D in the 3rd quarter. I believe this issue is the chicken and egg problem.
In several of the Spurs' offensive possesions in the 3rd quarter, for whatever reason, they were taking long jumpshots (particularly TP). The problem was the following. Bruce was standing the in the corner waiting for a pass that never came. The 2 bigs were near the paint waiting for the rebound. After all the misses, 2 things happened:
In the previous game I saw up to 3 Spurs running back on D. If TP/Pop decided to piss off the game in the 3rd quarter with long jumpers, at the very least they should have asked Bruce to get out of the corner so he could run back on D faster. I would rather sacrifize spacing (that is useless anyway if the Spurs are taking jumpers) for better transition D.
- Long jumpers produce long rebounds that were capitalized by the Suns in their transition game.
- Because Bruce was camping in the corner, the 2 bigs were near the paint, and TP was 16 ft from the basket after a miss, only Barry/Manu were running back on time in transition D.
The transition D problem starts with a bad set up in offense, and allowing low percentage shots that create opportunites for the Suns' running game. If the Spurs pound it inside and take 3 pointers with 3 perimeter players behind the arc, you get better transition D by default. If Tim misses inside, the miss produces a short rebound and you have 3 Spurs running back. If the Spurs take a trey, the other 2 players behind the arc can start running back immediately.
The combination of long range jumphots inside the arc, Bruce static in the corner not getting the ball, and the 2 bigs inside waiting for long rebounds was killer. You can strongly argue that the bad transition D was a direct consequence of a bad offensive strategy.
I feel the same way Rick.
I think the Spurs will stop this trend before it gets to be a habit.
whether or not that is enough to win, only time will tell.
I can tell you this though, with every win by Phoenix, the pressure on SA builds exponentially.
My two cents (probably not worth the money it costs to coin them):
Tim, Tony and Pop can all share in this loss. But after all is said and done, we still had a chance to put this thing away when we were only down by 1 pt. late 4th quarter. It didn't happen, but my God, the Spurs made so many mistakes, left so many Suns wide open, allowed something like 30 fast break points, and we still only lost by 5 points to the #1 team in the NBA, with the MVP and COTY to boot.
AHF: Sure Pop made mistakes, like Tim and Tony did, but tell me, why are you calling him out? Would you rather have D'Antoni and his 6 man rotation?
Assuming the outcome is still in question, either Duncan or Ginobili has to be on the court at all times. There were three separate occasions (including a long stretch in the third) when both were on the bench. To put it plainly, if last night's game was a game 6 or 7 there's no way Pop leaves both those guys on the bench. He was ing around last night. He does that a lot.
It's ironic that we are complaining about Pop (and rightfully so) when it took Mike D'Antoni (NBA Coach of the Year) 13 quarters to figure out how to guard Tony Parker. Parker was downright awful, but it's hard to give Beno a lot of minutes when he passes up wide open shot after wide open shot.
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