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    They can do that. But those local distributors are not legally allowed to sell their product at the brewery.
    There is a restaurant here in Austin which brews their own beer and sells it on the same property. NXNW

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    There is a restaurant here in Austin which brews their own beer and sells it on the same property. NXNW
    Sure. But you won't find their beer at any other bars or grocery stores.

    You can either distribute or sell on site. You can't do both in Texas.

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    Sure. But you won't find their beer at any other bars or grocery stores.

    You can either distribute or sell on site. You can't do both in Texas.
    Ah ok that makes sense. Still, it seems like it wouldn't be a hard lawsuit. Especailly if the smaller breweries ban together.

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    scott, I visited your establishment, had a beer and a bite, and enjoyed both.

    I think your best bet is social media. The political process is so completely corrupt that they need to see the grass roots support. It doesn't even matter to them that it's the right thing to do to free up the market. You may even have to build your social base, and threaten a Big Three boycott in Texas to get er done.

    You may also want to see if you can contact HEB and get them on your side. Variety and choice increases their sales, too. They would be a political heavy hitter in TX.

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    Scott...what/where is your establishment?

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    I would doubt HEB would ever be on Scott's side to be quite frank. They're going to side with the Ben E Keith's and Budcos who don't want Scott taking up space in the coolers that HEB has because it takes away from their sales. HEB is going to sell more of those beers than anything Freetail brews for obvious reasons and the relationship with Ben E Keith etc is much more important than relationships with small brew pubs that fill a small niche.

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    I would doubt HEB would ever be on Scott's side to be quite frank. They're going to side with the Ben E Keith's and Budcos who don't want Scott taking up space in the coolers that HEB has because it takes away from their sales. HEB is going to sell more of those beers than anything Freetail brews for obvious reasons and the relationship with Ben E Keith etc is much more important than relationships with small brew pubs that fill a small niche.
    I agree with you........but how ed up is that? Go to any other state in the union and there you have Bud, Coors, Miller......right next to Fat Tire, Easy Street Wheat, Tommyknockers, etc.....and it works just fine.


    Again, Texas.......full of Texans, and that's why it's gay.

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    Scott...what/where is your establishment?
    http://www.freetailbrewing.com/

    I've thought of an end run for future entrepreneurs. You have to start and incorporate TWO distinct businesses, a restaurant with a liquor license that brews NO beer on the premises, and a brewery in the mold of Real Ale that has no retail front end. You use the restaurant to distribute the beer from the brewery that you own, which can then be sold in stores too.

    It's complete dirty pool what the Big Three are pulling here. If they can get and like your beer at a brew pub, they can't get it in a store. If you distribute only, no one knows what your stuff tastes like because they can't order it with their meal. I can see why they're running scared, though. Big Three beer is dog piss, and they're losing market share. Doesn't make it right, though.

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    brisket pizza, along with a few freetail ales at freetails is bliss.

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    All I hope is the brainless s in the Utah legislature don't ever get word of this. Not that my locale has to worry about lobbyist influence from the bev industry, but , our state leg'd probably enact a similar policy just to... simply to over the audacious local micro-breweries.

    And that sucks for TX. Horrible, beyond hypocritical policy.

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    I agree with you........but how ed up is that? Go to any other state in the union and there you have Bud, Coors, Miller......right next to Fat Tire, Easy Street Wheat, Tommyknockers, etc.....and it works just fine.


    Again, Texas.......full of Texans, and that's why it's gay.
    Don't get me wrong, I'm completely on the side of Scott here. I agree that its a total crock of . My reply was just in reference to the above post where it was advocated that Scott seek the help of HEB etc.

    Its a huge uphill fight for these brewpubs because the competing interests have so much more pull.

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    http://www.house.state.tx.us/members...epresentative/

    Look up your state rep here and send them an email. Also tell your friends.

    This is the kind of law most people don't know about, but when they hear about it, there's pretty much unanimous and bipartisan agreement that it's ed up.

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    Just for clarification, it isn't the "Big Three" brewers (which are actually the big two in the US as Miller & Coors have an American Joint Venture called, you guessed it, MillerCoors) who are against this. I don't think they particularly care.

    It is, however, the distributors of the Big Two that care. Because they see their sales dwindling, they don't want any new products (especially local products, which have an obvious marketing advantage) to compete with what they are already having a hard time holding on to. So they use the Alcoholic Beverage Code to restrict compe ion and protect their positions.

    ChuckD and jman, glad y'all enjoyed yourselves at the pub.

    Thanks again for the support, everyone.

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    It sucks, because I'd almost certainly buy Freetail if it was bottled and sold in Specs or HEB. I absolutely hate driving after even one beer though, so I don't like going to bars/pubs unless they're very closeby.

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    The New York Times picked up a story by the Texas Tribune today. The Tribune version includes some charts on compaign donations.

    Times link: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/18/us/18ttbeer.html?_r=1

    Tribune link: http://www.texastribune.org/texas-lo...bigger-market/

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    The corps buy the legislators to block compe ion and screw the consumer the better? what a surprise.

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    I watched a do entary called Beer Wars...have you seen it Scott? It's basically about the fight micro-breweries have to go through just to get their product on the shelf when the big two dominate everything.

    I think it's hilarious that at the beginning of the do entary at a bar, they put a sampling of three each of Coors light, Miller Lite and Bud Light and asked people which was their favorite. All of them were adamant about their favorite and none of them could pick the beer out of an unmarked glass.

    I think these Miller Lite commercials that say "MAN UP!" are laughable. Man up to drink mass watered down swill.

    I'd definitely pe ion to end this nonsense.

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