Is it just me or is Amare Stoudemire ..

**spurs_fan_in_exile** · 05-31-2005

He's athletic, and he's developing a jumper but his stats are inflated by Nash. Barkley was absolutely right about him in the Mavs series, there was really no reason why he shouldn't have been pulling down 20 a night in those games. Who else was in that rookie class when he got ROY? IIRC, I think he wasn't up against a very deep pool of talent, but that could just be the crack talking.

**T Park** · 05-31-2005

Imagine how good he will be once he learns to play basketball.

Cant wait to see how do in a Laker uniform.

**Xolotl** · 05-31-2005

The Lakers wont be able to make a serious run for him not enough cap room. I mean damn your paying Brian Grant a load of jack. That guy has been stealing money every since he left Portland

**BillsCarnage** · 05-31-2005

Originally Posted by Xolotl

Damn I hate Amare too that boy is good. I hate him with all of my passion.......when is he up for free agency??

Ladies, lets not forget that Amare' is working on his outside shot. He has a good 15ft'er and has hit a 3pt shot towards the end of the season. AND, he's only what, 21 or 22? Wait 5 years and see how he is.

As for free agency?? He'll be locked up this summer for the maximum, so everyone can kiss good by the chance of him leaving the Suns anytime soon.

**AZLouis** · 05-31-2005

http://www.basketballreference.com/d...m?yr=2002&lg=N Listing of 2002 NBA draft

Amare and Yao Ming were hotly debated that year for ROY. Amare was favored because the Suns went to the playoffs.

By the way Amare averaged 7 minutes per in the Olympics. He and Lebron rarely got playing time. http://www.usabasketball.com/seniorm...oly_stats.html

Shows Larry Brown's intelligence.

**Xolotl** · 05-31-2005

Originally Posted by BillsCarnage

Ladies, lets not forget that Amare' is working on his outside shot. He has a good 15ft'er and has hit a 3pt shot towards the end of the season. AND, he's only what, 21 or 22? Wait 5 years and see how he is.

As for free agency?? He'll be locked up this summer most likely for the maximum, so everyone can kiss good by the chance of him leaving the Suns anytime soon.

What you mean they won't take Rasho and the Kiwi for him??? Damn

**Catharsis** · 05-31-2005

Originally Posted by SpursChamps0399

Amare is good, but he is a product of the Suns' system. Without the fast pace game with all the 3-point shooters, he would be closer to ordinary than he is great. For example, let him fill the role of Tim Duncan and he would get slaughtered because he would draw double/triple teams like Tim does. I'm not worried about him, just play defense like the first 3 games, rotate to the 3-point shooters, and hit free throws and the Suns are gone tomorrow night. If we don't do all that, we might lose, but they still go home after Game 6.

Player A:
Season 1--13.5 ppg, 8.8 rpg, 1.1 bpg
Season 2--20.6 ppg, 9.0 ppg, 1.6 bpg
Season 3--26.0 ppg, 8.9 rpg, 1.6 bpg

Player B:
Season 1--10.4 ppg, 6.3 rpg, 1.6 bpg
Season 2--17.0 ppg, 8.0 rpg, 2.1 bpg
Season 3--18.5 ppg, 9.6 rpg, 1.8 bpg

I'm sure you can guess who Player A is, how about Player B?

The point is Amare was already an accomplished scorer before Nash--he was also only in his second season when he first averaged over 20 ppg. Player B didn't average 20 ppg until his fourth year and is regarded as one of the best PFs in the game.

And as for the double and triple teams, HE ALREADY DOES! Have you not been watching the playoffs?

**E20** · 05-31-2005

NVM.

**Catharsis** · 05-31-2005

Originally Posted by E20

Amare didn't have another big next to him. I guess you could say David Robinson was hogging all TD's touches. It's really funny Suns win one game and everybody is quick to declare Amare > TD.

What are you talking about? Player B is Kevin Garnett and NOBODY declared Amare better than Duncan. Quite the opposite.

And Robinson in his later years (Duncan's beginning years) did NOT take a lot of touches away from him. In fact, if you want to play that card, look at the touches Amare had taken away with Marbury, Hardaway and Marion playing with him his first two season.

**SpursChampsIII** · 05-31-2005

Originally Posted by Catharsis

Player A:
Season 1--13.5 ppg, 8.8 rpg, 1.1 bpg
Season 2--20.6 ppg, 9.0 ppg, 1.6 bpg
Season 3--26.0 ppg, 8.9 rpg, 1.6 bpg

Player B:
Season 1--10.4 ppg, 6.3 rpg, 1.6 bpg
Season 2--17.0 ppg, 8.0 rpg, 2.1 bpg
Season 3--18.5 ppg, 9.6 rpg, 1.8 bpg

I'm sure you can guess who Player A is, how about Player B?

The point is Amare was already an accomplished scorer before Nash--he was also only in his second season when he first averaged over 20 ppg. Player B didn't average 20 ppg until his fourth year and is regarded as one of the best PFs in the game.

And as for the double and triple teams, HE ALREADY DOES! Have you not been watching the playoffs?

Your stats don't impress me...in fact, I'm glad you went through all the trouble of looking it up. Your reply does not dispute what I said. I HAVE watched all the games, and have attended the games here as well...try going to one in person, you'll get a better perspective of what's going on.

**SpursChampsIII** · 05-31-2005

Originally Posted by E20

Amare didn't have another big next to him. I guess you could say David Robinson was hogging all TD's touches. It's really funny Suns win one game and everybody is quick to declare Amare > TD.

Duncan far > AS right now. Amare needs to mature a little more.

**E20** · 05-31-2005

Catharsis I'm gonna call you C from now on. Too long to typ it out.

Damn C, don't be confusing just type out the names make people look stupid!

**AZLouis** · 05-31-2005

Their not his stats, they are Amare's compared to KG's in their 1st three seasons.

Why not be impressed? Is it because you do not like Amare?

Player C:
Season 1 -- 18.8 ppg, 14.6 rpg, 1.5 bpg
Season 2 -- 14.3 ppg, 9.6 rpg, 1.5 bpg
Season 3 -- 13.2 ppg, 13.1 rpg, 1.3 bpg

How's that compared to Amare? That's Moses Malone's stats in his 1st three pro years. http://www.basketballreference.com/p...lkid=MALONMO01

Amare does get double and triple teamed. Believe it or not.
Amare will be a force to reckon with for years to come. Believe it or not.

EDIT
Yes TD is better than Amare.

**Catharsis** · 05-31-2005

Originally Posted by SpursChamps0399

Your stats don't impress me...in fact, I'm glad you went through all the trouble of looking it up. Your reply does not dispute what I said. I HAVE watched all the games, and have attended the games here as well...try going to one in person, you'll get a better perspective of what's going on.

It wasn't trouble...basketball-reference.com--great site!

What did I dispute or try to dispute? Most will agree that Garnett is one of the best PFs in the game. That was the point. Amare Stoudemire has been able to do more in his first two years than KG did in his first four. He's also scoring at will against the greatest PF in the game and NOT going to the line to do it (unlike Duncan).

Duncan far > AS right now. Amare needs to mature a little more.

Yeah, already claimed that about 10 times. He's 22, though. Imagine what he'll do in 7 years when he's 29 like Timmy.

**baseline bum** · 05-31-2005

Stoudemire is a flat-out amazing player, and anyone who can't see it is blind. His D sucks, but he has the physical gifts to become a great all-around player under the right coaching. He's a hall-of-fame bigman, and unlike Garnett or Nowitzki, he's huge in the most important games already. He's easily the best bigman to come into the league since Duncan, and IMO the only bigs currently in this league who will finish with better careers are Shaq and Duncan.

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