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6-18 shooting in a face ing proves just as much. Please, do go on.
Manu Ginobili is the greatest player in the state of Texas.
6-18 shooting in a face ing proves just as much. Please, do go on.
no team in pro sports history has had an epic series of Chokes even close to the Dallas Mavericks.
hope this heps
no mexican will ever be elected president
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One of five players in NBA history to average 25-10 in the post season. Yeah, I guess that makes you a one dimensional choke artist. One bad series in 10 years of post season play does not make someone a choke artist.
Vaginald Poopshoosten?
In what? H.O.R.S.E.? Regular Season? NBA Finals?Best Player in Texas???
In Finals, it's Vaginald Poopshoosten
In Horse, it's Diapers Maghee
In Regular season, it's probably, Dingo Fillwhilly
I mean as an overall player, Duncan was a defensive beast and a monster on the offensive end in the post when he was in his prime. Dirk, while he has developed into an above average defender over the last few years, will never have the overall impact that Tim Duncan had on games. I will concede that on the offensive end he was better, but Duncan also had an extremely wide-array of post moves as well as a good midrange game. Nowitzki has an excellent high post game as well as some good moves around the basket. His ability to fadeaway as well as nail the three with regularity puts him above Duncan offensively imo.
He won't ever be remembered like Duncan, but he certainly deserves props because a lot of people had him pinned as a soft jumpshooter and he is a lot more versatile than most people give him credit for. Plus his efficiency is insane.Wasn't he like 13-18 last night for 35 points? That's incredible.
In what? H.O.R.S.E.? Regular Season? NBA Finals?
That boy...ah say, that boy ain't got a lick 'o sense.
Right now and for the past few years it is Dirk. no doubt.
In the late 90's through 2005 it was Duncan. no doubt
LOL at shooting 2-7 and getting blown out by Memphis in January.
Great retort. Well thought-out AND relevant.
I also like how you had to dig for a game well over a month ago, one where Dirk was coming back from injury to make your sad little point.
Tim Duncan
4× NBA Champion (1999, 2003, 2005, 2007)
3× NBA Finals MVP (1999, 2003, 2005)
2× NBA Most Valuable Player (2002–2003)
NBA Rookie of the Year (1998)
13× NBA All-Star (1998, 2000–2011)
9× All-NBA First Team (1998–2005, 2007)
3× All-NBA Second Team (2006, 2008–2009)
All-NBA Third Team (2010)
8× All-Defensive First Team (1999–2003, 2005, 2007–2008)
5× All-Defensive Second Team (1998, 2004, 2006, 2009–2010)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (1998)
NBA All-Star Game MVP (2000)
Dirk Nowitzki
NBA Most Valuable Player (2007)
10× NBA All-Star (2002–2011)
4× All-NBA First Team (2005–2007, 2009)
4× All-NBA Second Team (2002–2003, 2008, 2010)
2× All-NBA Third Team (2001, 2004)
NBA 3-Point Shootout Champion (2006)
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Tiago Splitter. If it weren't for injuries, he would be in LA this weekend.
Gary Neal???? No.. wait.. Tigo Splitner????? No, wait.......
Dirty and nobody comes close
Lacedarius Dunn.
I agree Duncan was a more complete player than Dirk has ever been, but to say that he never had the overall impact on games that Timmy had is kinda unfair, because they both had incredible impacts on their teams, but in different manners. I guess if by overall impact, you mean on offense and defense, I agree. Duncan had an impact the way a typical big man should - drawing defensive attention with his fantastic post offense, and clogging the lane well on defense, but to a larger degree than most post men. However Dirk was a walking mismatch, arguably the biggest offensive mismatch machine in NBA history, along with Magic. The presence he brought to the offensive end was a presence that perhaps no player in NBA history has ever been able to bring, and often times is not very well appreciated. People just think he is a big guy who can shoot good, but it goes a lot further than that, as its impossible to find a single defender who can hold their own against him. Put a big guy on him, and the interior defense and rebounding suffers while Dirk can tire the out of them with his series of frustrating, guard-type moves. Put a small guy on him, then obviously that is a mis-match in itself, but it also causes a mismatch elsewhere on the court, either with a big guarding a small, or that the opponent has to play small-ball, which again, will hurt their interior defense and rebounding.I mean as an overall player, Duncan was a defensive beast and a monster on the offensive end in the post when he was in his prime. Dirk, while he has developed into an above average defender over the last few years, will never have the overall impact that Tim Duncan had on games. I will concede that on the offensive end he was better, but Duncan also had an extremely wide-array of post moves as well as a good midrange game. Nowitzki has an excellent high post game as well as some good moves around the basket. His ability to fadeaway as well as nail the three with regularity puts him above Duncan offensively imo.
He won't ever be remembered like Duncan, but he certainly deserves props because a lot of people had him pinned as a soft jumpshooter and he is a lot more versatile than most people give him credit for. Plus his efficiency is insane.
I'd say both of them had an impact that neither player was ever able to have (Duncan had a defensive presence Dirk could never have, while Dirk had an offensive presence that Duncan never had). Fortunately, (and this is no knock on him, because he still has to be able to seal the deal, which he obviously has done, 4 times, and is the greatest PF ever) Timmy has generally had a more well-constructed team and more well-coached team, which helped him be in a position where he could lead his team to multiple les, while Dirk had talented teams, but teams that honestly were not-well built (all-offense, no-defense), and then by time his teams were constructed in a more balanced manner, he honestly just didn't have as much talent, and then of course there was the very controversial Finals series, in which Dirk was still pretty damn good, unfortunately Wade had the series of his life, and pulled it out in the end.
It sucks for Dirk that the series went the way it did. Dude has worked his ass off year after year to try to win a le, and people just sit around ignorantly calling him a soft choker. If the Mavs were to win a le, I would be more happy over the fact that Dirk finally got his, more than the fact that the won a championship, period. I don't think any ringless player in the NBA right now deserves a ring more than Dirk. I'd say Steve Nash is a close second. Both dudes play their heart out year after year, are class-acts of the NBA, and seem to be genuinely good dudes.
Either way, this is just my personal opinion on the matter. Not to say either one of ours is wrong, as our opinions are quite similar here. But I do think sometimes people underrate how Dirk affects a team, and how his offensive effect on games is so extreme, that it honestly can have a good effect defensively, by causing ridiculous mismatches, adding that extra element of length on the floor, and by being so frustrating to deal with offensively, that it baits teams into uncharacteristic shots/mistakes on the offensive end themselves.
Last edited by Phillip; 02-18-2011 at 06:08 PM.
He learned from you.
Really? That's what you come back with?
Best NBA player in Texas???
Right now: Dirk
All time: Duncan
Good one...true, the OP didn't specify NBA...
I'm not a Cowboys fan, but Witten is awesome, to be sure.
Mavs suck - "Best player in Texas" and still can't win it all. hmm interesting.
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